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Two evil planes
broke in little pieces
and fire came.

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Two evil planes

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broke in little pieces
and fire came.

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Two evil planes

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broke in little pieces

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and fire came.

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Two evil

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planes

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broke

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in little pieces

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and fi...

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...came.

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Here we are at the Twin Towers.

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My name is Jon Walczak.

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I'm an investigative journalist.

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And that kid you hear is me,
11 years old,

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in the plaza
of the World Trade Center.

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In one year,
one month, and 17 days...

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...these towers will rain down
in a violent cascade of glass...

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...and steel and concrete,

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killing a mystery photographer
on West Street,

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just on the other side
of that tower...

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...the North Tower,

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300 feet from where I'm standing
right now.

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- His camera will survive.
- His final photos too.

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Hidden for decades,
until one day, I get an email.

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This is my grandma.

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But don't look at her.

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Look at the tables
and the chairs

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as we transition to 9/11
and back.

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I was born on 9/8/88.

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I'll turn 13 on 9/8/01.

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On 9/11,

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I'll drag
a typewriter downstairs

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and crank out a...

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...news bulletin.

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I'll come of age
in the shadow of these towers.

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Life will drag me down
a jagged path

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until it spits me out
at this spot,

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again and again.

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Here we are
at the Twin Towers.

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Twin Towers...

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And there's
the World Trade Center.

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Child Jon is a bit confused.

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The World Trade Center
is the name of the complex

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made up of seven buildings.

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The Twin Towers, the towers.

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This is the Marriott.
Remember it.

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You'll see it again,
cut in half.

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In 2021,

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I'll do a podcast
calledMissing on 9/11.

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I'll put out a call
for unpublished footage:

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photos, video, audio.

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I'll get an email
from a firefighter

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who says his dad,
a retired FDNY chief,

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has new photos of 9/11
from a previously unknown camera

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- found in the rubble of...
- The World Trade Center.

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Hard to believe.

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At first,
I'll think it's a scam.

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This can't be real, right?

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But it is.

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And now it's on me.

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I didn't seek out these photos.
They came to me.

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A man in the dust,
whose face I can't see,

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speaking to me
through these photos.

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In my hands,
the final moments of his life.

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- Who is he? I need to know.
- Grandma, what
do you have to say, Grandma?

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So I'll dig.

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Into the photos.

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Into history.

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Into a list of suspects.

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I'll use clues in each frame
to ID the photographer.

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What a story.

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Thirty-two new photos of 9/11,

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then 32
of the photographer's life.

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Hug the family, close the loop.

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Thirty-two frames.

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If only it were that easy.

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Okay.

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Can I have some water, please?
Thank you.

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That was an explosion.

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That was an explosion.

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- You got that message?
- No, what is that?

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A plane
into the World Trade Center.

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Lori, what are
you talking about?

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This is Port Authority
Police dispatch.

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- Okay.
- We have a confirmed,

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uh, explosion
at the World Trade Center.

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I have never seen
so much smoke

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coming from a building as I see
from the World Trade Center.

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- What the hell is going on out there?
- -A plane

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- into the World Trade Center.
- I know. I'm looking

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at it right now on the screen.

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I walked down the hallway.
I kinda ran down the hallway.

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I walked over the window,
pulled up the Venetian blind.

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I said, "Chief, look,
a plane just hit
the World Trade Center."

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Just get into my uniform,

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and that's when
the alarms went off.

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The radio just started
to go insane.

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I called into the desk
and they were, like,

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"Go, go, go, go, go!"

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And I'm hearing it
on police radio.

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"We're under attack."

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I just jumped on the highway.
I just started hauling

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to the location,
lights and sirens.

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I was probably going,
like, pretty fast.
You know?

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- How fast were you going?
- I don't know.

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The speed limit?

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I had a medical bag in my car,
and I headed down to--

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West and Vesey,
at the command post.

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Zoom in. Here.

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Stop.

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-West and...
-VESS-ey.

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-VESS-ey.
-VEE-sey Street.

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West and VEE-sey?

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- VESS-ey and West Street.
- VESS-ey?

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- VESS-ey.
- VESS-ey Street.

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-Do you say VESS-ey or VEE-sey?
-It depends.

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- I know. Everybody--
- It's 50-50.

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-VEE-sey Street.
-Okay, VEE-sey. Okay.

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I feel like I--
I'm not gonna win on that.

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- It's like Houston and Houston.
- Yeah.

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Anyway, the heart of our story.

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West and VESS-ey.

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The ground zero of Ground Zero.

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Now, let's look
at a few landmarks

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to guide us as we move forward.

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We have the Verizon Building.

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World Trade Center 6, or WTC 6.

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The north pedestrian bridge,
aka the Vesey bridge.

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Notice the banner on the bridge,
quebecnewyork.com.

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And, of course, the Marriott.

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Here's our key block
on Labor Day 2001...

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...and eight days later.

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Our photographer
hasn't arrived yet,
but he will, soon.

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He has 86 minutes to live.

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In that 86 minutes,
he'll take 32 photos,
30 of them here.

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That's why it's important
to orient--

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What the hell's going on?

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This is not
a grand story of 9/11.

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It's not Bush or the Pentagon.

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It's not even New York,
Manhattan, or the Trade Center.

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It's one intersection,

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and the people
who converged on it

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at a fateful moment.

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I heard the throttle
going down, like,

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where the guy was really gonna
give it all it's got,

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so you heard...

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...and then in.

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You just see it for a second.
It's just a shadow.

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And, bang, into the building,
and fire comes out the side.

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I couldn't get a picture
'cause I'm driving, you know?

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If you're driving NASCAR,
you're not taking pictures

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at the same time, are you?

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But, you know,
that's the way I drove.

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I didn't know
it was a plane, actually.
I just saw a ball of fire.

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You can actually feel
the heat at street level...

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...from 80, 85 stories up.

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We always say,
when we run into guys at a fire,

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second alarm, third alarm,
he goes, "Ah,
see you at the big one."

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This was the big one.

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This is where
our story really starts.

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After the second plane
strike...

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...at the intersection
of West Broadway and Worth,

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ten blocks north
of the Trade Center.

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Frame one...

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...and two.

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What do you notice?

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Do you see the clues?

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That's Building 7, and,
and then One World Trade is

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where 6 World Trade used to be,

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so the towers would have been
just to the left.

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And this would have been
one of the first clear shots

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- he had looking
towards the tower.
- Yeah. Yeah.

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Clue one.

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Both towers are on fire.

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Both are still standing.

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So, this was taken between 9:03,

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when the second plane hit,

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and 9:59,
when the first tower fell.

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Meaning our photographer got
to the Trade Center after 9:03.

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By car.

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Which rules out
everyone who walked
or took public transit.

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The photos seem to be taken
out of a passenger window.

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So, he's with someone.

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Ruling out
anyone who drove alone.

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He's going the wrong way,
toward disaster.

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Who does that?

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-You see the antenna?
-I do, yeah.

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-You see the edge of the window?
-Mm-hmm.

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Clue five:

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the antenna.

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It's less consistent
with a consumer car

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and more consistent
with an emergency response
vehicle.

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These are actually
the least dramatic
of our 32 frames,

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but in many ways,
they're the most important.

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So many clues.

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Our photographer drives
to the Trade Center,

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toward disaster, with someone

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between 9:03 and 9:59.

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Anything else?

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The shadows.

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So, this is frame number one.

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What can we tell
from the lighting,

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from the sun,
and from the shadows?

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So, actually,
you can tell quite a bit.

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This particular building
is located at 60 Hudson Street

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in Lower Manhattan.

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We had a taller building
at 33 Thomas Street,

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casting a shadow
on the eastern face
of this building.

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Just based upon that,
using some very simple geometry
and trigonometry,

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we were able to figure out
what the sun angle was

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at the time
this photograph was taken.

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Plugging
all this information in,

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a sun angle of 33.37 degrees

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on September 11th, 2001,

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occurred at 9:38 a.m.

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So, we know that this photograph
was taken at 9:38 a.m.

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Clue seven:
the route they take.

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Down West Broadway to Vesey.

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After snapping frame one,

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it takes our photographer
maybe five to ten minutes

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to reach the Trade Center.

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He arrives around 9:45,

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only 14 minutes before
the first tower falls.

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Frame three,
taken on West Street.

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Look at the top left.

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That's the north bridge,
the Vesey bridge.

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Our photographer
stands under it,

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leaning out, taking pictures
as debris rains down.

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It was chaos.

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Lots of ambulances...

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...lots of fire trucks,
lots of cop cars.

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People running out
and people injured,

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and there's plane parts
all over the ground.

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And I'm getting
a lot of pictures.

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The amount of smoke,
the amount of fire,

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the amount of debris
falling down was incredible.

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Each tower
was a quarter of a mile high.

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All of a sudden, there's
a piece of debris falling,

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comes through the cloud
like it's gonna hit you
in a couple of seconds.

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It was hitting like bullets.

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Uh, there was a piece of metal
that hit a car, and it,

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and it went
right through the hood.

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It was a piece of the plane.

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My helmet flies off,
and I turn around and I look,

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and there's
my helmet on the ground
with an arm laying next to it.

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And I'm like,
"Okay, this is not
gonna be a good day."

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As we were getting
closer to West Street,

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we were coming across

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more and more body parts
just laying in the street.

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And it got to the point,

253
00:14:27,590 --> 00:14:29,903
when you got really close
to West Street,

254
00:14:30,041 --> 00:14:32,526
it almost looked like
an anatomy class.

255
00:14:33,700 --> 00:14:36,082
Let's go back
for a minute to clue five.

256
00:14:36,220 --> 00:14:38,463
Who speeds toward disaster?

257
00:14:38,601 --> 00:14:42,019
Journalists. But very few
made it to the Trade Center

258
00:14:42,157 --> 00:14:43,986
before the towers fell.

259
00:14:44,124 --> 00:14:46,437
Also, obviously,
first responders.

260
00:14:46,575 --> 00:14:48,577
Which is why
timing is important.

261
00:14:48,715 --> 00:14:51,614
Because we have records
of when many of them arrived.

262
00:14:51,752 --> 00:14:54,721
For example,
these FDNY company reports.

263
00:14:54,859 --> 00:14:57,206
And we know that anyone
who got to the Trade Center

264
00:14:57,344 --> 00:15:00,934
before, say, 9:45,
can't be our photographer.

265
00:15:01,659 --> 00:15:04,179
What compels you
to run toward disaster

266
00:15:04,317 --> 00:15:06,388
when so many
other people run away?

267
00:15:06,526 --> 00:15:07,803
Stupidity.

268
00:15:07,941 --> 00:15:10,047
What do you think?

269
00:15:10,185 --> 00:15:15,259
We were trained
to run toward the danger,

270
00:15:15,397 --> 00:15:17,364
not away from the danger,
to help people.

271
00:15:17,502 --> 00:15:19,125
And that's
what it was all about.

272
00:15:19,263 --> 00:15:21,023
You go to where the fire is,

273
00:15:21,161 --> 00:15:22,266
you go to where the murder is,

274
00:15:22,404 --> 00:15:24,475
you go to where the action is,

275
00:15:24,613 --> 00:15:28,203
and you make sure
that you're the witness.

276
00:15:29,618 --> 00:15:30,895
Look at that.

277
00:15:31,033 --> 00:15:32,414
Oh, wow.

278
00:15:35,313 --> 00:15:37,522
Do you see it? The dot?

279
00:15:39,007 --> 00:15:41,043
Him or her.

280
00:15:47,843 --> 00:15:50,294
Poor bastards.

281
00:15:53,297 --> 00:15:55,023
A-- as gory
as this is gonna sound,

282
00:15:55,161 --> 00:15:56,783
people were coming
down like rain.

283
00:15:57,404 --> 00:15:59,579
I, I, I mean, uh,
you can cut it out if you want,

284
00:15:59,717 --> 00:16:01,788
but I saw at least
125 people jump.

285
00:16:08,622 --> 00:16:10,452
Numerous people jumping.

286
00:16:11,246 --> 00:16:13,524
Numerous people jumping.

287
00:16:14,628 --> 00:16:16,389
These poor people,

288
00:16:16,527 --> 00:16:20,151
who were g-- guilty of nothing
but going to work that day,

289
00:16:20,289 --> 00:16:22,188
that's all they did,
was go to work.

290
00:16:22,878 --> 00:16:26,537
They're standing
at smashed glass.

291
00:16:26,675 --> 00:16:30,403
What kind of hell
had to be behind them

292
00:16:30,541 --> 00:16:35,304
that jumping from the 98th floor
was a better option?

293
00:16:35,442 --> 00:16:37,686
I could not wrap
my head around that.

294
00:16:37,824 --> 00:16:40,344
The part we were in
had a roof overhang,

295
00:16:40,482 --> 00:16:42,760
uh, and they were hitting it.

296
00:16:43,243 --> 00:16:46,350
It was noise
of the, of the worst kind.

297
00:16:46,488 --> 00:16:48,628
You just knew every one
was a human life.

298
00:16:49,042 --> 00:16:51,907
I know some people
will be angry at us

299
00:16:52,045 --> 00:16:55,117
for publishing these photos,
and that's okay.

300
00:16:55,255 --> 00:16:56,394
I get it.

301
00:16:56,912 --> 00:17:00,122
Should we publish them?
There's no correct answer.

302
00:17:00,502 --> 00:17:02,228
I don't believe in censorship.

303
00:17:02,642 --> 00:17:04,989
But I've also sat
with survivors.

304
00:17:05,369 --> 00:17:07,923
I've watched their faces
contort in pain,

305
00:17:08,061 --> 00:17:10,753
remembering people
who jumped or fell.

306
00:17:18,865 --> 00:17:19,831
Oh, wow.

307
00:17:20,694 --> 00:17:22,800
Yeah, those were,
uh, those were rough

308
00:17:22,938 --> 00:17:24,457
because you had to watch

309
00:17:24,595 --> 00:17:26,942
and then you had
to hear the noise.

310
00:17:27,701 --> 00:17:30,808
You know, and it's just a long,

311
00:17:31,429 --> 00:17:33,397
long drop.

312
00:17:33,535 --> 00:17:36,641
- Shit.
- -Channel 6 has been designated a command channel.

313
00:17:36,779 --> 00:17:38,436
Right now...

314
00:17:38,574 --> 00:17:43,338
From our perspective, as people
that run to help people,

315
00:17:43,476 --> 00:17:45,961
it was totally horrific for us

316
00:17:46,099 --> 00:17:49,068
because we wanna help them,

317
00:17:49,206 --> 00:17:50,517
and we can't.

318
00:17:51,208 --> 00:17:53,072
That's the hardest part.

319
00:17:54,556 --> 00:17:56,627
Sometimes I get
really, uh, upset.

320
00:17:56,765 --> 00:17:59,147
My wife says I yell, yell
at night when I'm sleepin'.

321
00:17:59,285 --> 00:18:01,010
I scream once in a while.

322
00:18:01,149 --> 00:18:02,874
And it's about people falling.

323
00:18:14,438 --> 00:18:16,302
The people falling...

324
00:18:19,063 --> 00:18:20,375
...always gets to me.

325
00:18:23,930 --> 00:18:25,380
Or should I say "jumping"?

326
00:18:26,726 --> 00:18:27,796
It's brutal.

327
00:18:29,246 --> 00:18:32,973
In the end, our photographer
chose to take these images.

328
00:18:33,112 --> 00:18:35,044
They literally died taking them.

329
00:18:35,183 --> 00:18:36,874
Who am I to censor them?

330
00:18:37,012 --> 00:18:41,292
One of my most famous pictures
is a picture of a hand,

331
00:18:42,017 --> 00:18:43,881
uh, from, from the plane.

332
00:18:44,433 --> 00:18:46,194
The hand's on the ground,

333
00:18:46,332 --> 00:18:48,299
a cigarette butt's around it...

334
00:18:49,438 --> 00:18:50,819
...a Hershey bar,

335
00:18:51,647 --> 00:18:54,995
and some other debris,
just gravel.

336
00:18:55,444 --> 00:18:57,066
But the hand is pointing.

337
00:18:57,998 --> 00:19:03,142
And it's severed
right about here at the wrist,
and you see the bone.

338
00:19:04,281 --> 00:19:06,214
And it almost doesn't look real,

339
00:19:06,352 --> 00:19:09,734
but it, it,
it's astonishing for people.

340
00:19:09,872 --> 00:19:11,253
And it, and it jars them

341
00:19:11,391 --> 00:19:13,566
to the reality
of the horror of that day.

342
00:19:13,704 --> 00:19:15,395
A lot of people like to talk.

343
00:19:15,533 --> 00:19:17,673
A lot of people
like to make comments.

344
00:19:17,811 --> 00:19:22,264
Um, and,
and you can actually say,
"No, this is what happened."

345
00:19:22,402 --> 00:19:24,749
There are certain things
that you see that...

346
00:19:26,303 --> 00:19:27,649
...you'll never forget.

347
00:19:27,787 --> 00:19:30,376
Unfortunately,
shooting some poor guy or girl

348
00:19:30,514 --> 00:19:34,069
jumping out of a building
because they're on fire,
or they're gonna be on fire,

349
00:19:34,207 --> 00:19:36,589
or it's too hot,
that's real life.

350
00:19:37,141 --> 00:19:40,765
You know, and, and,
and people who don't wanna
accept that.

351
00:19:40,903 --> 00:19:42,905
There's a term
for that in Italian.

352
00:19:44,424 --> 00:19:46,254
"Go fuck yourself."

353
00:19:50,189 --> 00:19:53,744
We also don't know
the value of photos
until they run.

354
00:19:53,882 --> 00:19:55,849
Some families spent years
trying to find

355
00:19:55,987 --> 00:19:59,853
images of loved ones
in windows or the sky,

356
00:19:59,991 --> 00:20:04,237
seeking closure.
Painful closure, but closure.

357
00:20:04,375 --> 00:20:06,964
9/11 has been so sanitized.

358
00:20:07,102 --> 00:20:08,724
Clean colors and lines.

359
00:20:08,862 --> 00:20:12,176
A fireball, a blue sky,
a dust cloud.

360
00:20:12,314 --> 00:20:13,902
Roll credits.

361
00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:14,937
No.

362
00:20:15,075 --> 00:20:16,836
See it as it was,

363
00:20:16,974 --> 00:20:18,424
as they saw it.

364
00:20:20,288 --> 00:20:22,945
-I'll warn you, there are
pictures of people falling--
-Yeah, no, I've--

365
00:20:23,083 --> 00:20:25,603
Hey, listen, I've seen it live,
so...

366
00:20:29,193 --> 00:20:32,921
These are flagpoles
on top of WTC 6.

367
00:20:33,784 --> 00:20:37,408
You can also see them
in thisDaily News photo.

368
00:20:40,756 --> 00:20:42,862
Both images are taken here,

369
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,555
the nexus of WTC 6
and the North Tower.

370
00:20:48,212 --> 00:20:52,354
In this previously
unpublished image,
you see the North Tower,

371
00:20:52,492 --> 00:20:55,599
WTC 6, the Verizon Building,

372
00:20:55,737 --> 00:20:58,464
and someone falling
onto West Street.

373
00:20:59,085 --> 00:21:02,330
No street is as dangerous
as West Street.

374
00:21:03,745 --> 00:21:05,919
As civilians rush out
of the Trade Center,

375
00:21:06,057 --> 00:21:09,475
they shield themselves
with briefcases, backpacks,

376
00:21:09,613 --> 00:21:11,408
even office chairs.

377
00:21:12,063 --> 00:21:14,721
Frame seven.

378
00:21:15,377 --> 00:21:17,034
Clue eight.

379
00:21:17,172 --> 00:21:20,658
Our photographer is using
a zoom lens, an SLR camera,

380
00:21:20,796 --> 00:21:22,488
not a pocket disposable,

381
00:21:22,626 --> 00:21:24,593
meaning he's likely
either a professional

382
00:21:24,731 --> 00:21:26,630
or a capable hobbyist.

383
00:21:29,184 --> 00:21:31,980
Before we continue,
I need to clarify something.

384
00:21:32,118 --> 00:21:34,776
These photos came to me
not in order.

385
00:21:34,914 --> 00:21:36,122
I had to guess.

386
00:21:36,260 --> 00:21:38,987
An educated guess, sure,
but still a guess.

387
00:21:39,125 --> 00:21:41,610
The first two,
in the car, were easy.

388
00:21:41,748 --> 00:21:43,785
Past that, I did my best.

389
00:21:43,923 --> 00:21:46,408
What would really help
are the negatives.

390
00:21:47,927 --> 00:21:52,690
West and Vesey was
the predetermined staging area.

391
00:21:53,933 --> 00:21:55,521
Every truck was
where it was supposed to be.

392
00:21:55,659 --> 00:21:57,730
Every ambulance was
where it was supposed to be.

393
00:21:57,868 --> 00:22:01,596
And, uh... the world just,

394
00:22:01,734 --> 00:22:03,839
the world just fell out
from underneath us.

395
00:22:05,876 --> 00:22:07,602
I always had a camera with me,

396
00:22:07,740 --> 00:22:11,330
and I figured, "If I don't
make it out of this thing,

397
00:22:11,468 --> 00:22:14,471
at least somebody
could find this."

398
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:19,579
The last picture I took was
at 59 minutes after the hour.

399
00:22:21,512 --> 00:22:23,859
I took the photo,
I heard the rumble,

400
00:22:23,997 --> 00:22:27,622
I looked up.

401
00:22:32,903 --> 00:22:35,975
Now, you're gonna want me
to describe it. Okay.

402
00:22:36,458 --> 00:22:39,634
A fully loaded locomotive
coming down the tracks
doing about 100.

403
00:22:39,772 --> 00:22:41,325
A jet aircraft taking off.

404
00:22:41,463 --> 00:22:43,223
Car crash,
a building collapse...

405
00:22:43,362 --> 00:22:45,122
...and metal ripping.

406
00:22:45,260 --> 00:22:46,365
All at the same time.

407
00:22:46,848 --> 00:22:49,022
Like that, almost.

408
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:53,199
We hear this churning

409
00:22:53,337 --> 00:22:56,029
and, and screeching,

410
00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:57,376
and we hear metal.

411
00:22:57,514 --> 00:23:00,448
It's just echoing
through Lower Manhattan,

412
00:23:00,586 --> 00:23:03,036
and that's
the South Tower collapsing.

413
00:23:24,851 --> 00:23:26,750
- One of the towers just collapsed.
- -Because the building

414
00:23:26,888 --> 00:23:28,890
- just collapsed on them.
- Are you shitting me?

415
00:23:29,028 --> 00:23:31,133
- There's gotta be
thousands of people--
- That Tower 2?

416
00:23:31,271 --> 00:23:33,860
One of the towers just came down
on top of everybody.

417
00:23:33,998 --> 00:23:36,035
The next 29 minutes
are critical.

418
00:23:36,794 --> 00:23:39,763
That's when the North Tower
will collapse.

419
00:23:40,315 --> 00:23:41,799
We're running out of time.

420
00:23:41,937 --> 00:23:43,870
Frame nine.

421
00:23:44,008 --> 00:23:46,183
This is the first frame
we know, for sure,

422
00:23:46,321 --> 00:23:48,668
was taken
after the South Tower fell.

423
00:23:48,806 --> 00:23:50,912
Our photographer runs
north on West Street,

424
00:23:51,050 --> 00:23:52,741
then hooks left on Vesey.

425
00:23:52,879 --> 00:23:55,434
He turns around
and snaps this photo.

426
00:23:56,435 --> 00:24:00,335
Look here: Engine 15
and a fire hydrant.

427
00:24:00,473 --> 00:24:02,579
You can also see them
in this image,

428
00:24:02,717 --> 00:24:04,132
taken later on 9/11.

429
00:24:04,546 --> 00:24:07,273
It's hard to make out,
but if you manipulate our photo

430
00:24:07,411 --> 00:24:10,587
and zoom in,
there's the Verizon Building.

431
00:24:11,864 --> 00:24:14,936
And now, we start
to see shadowy figures.

432
00:24:15,833 --> 00:24:17,076
Who's this guy?

433
00:24:17,525 --> 00:24:18,595
We don't know.

434
00:24:18,733 --> 00:24:20,286
Dust Man Number One.

435
00:24:20,424 --> 00:24:23,462
Frame nine is less important
for what it shows

436
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,671
and more for what it tells us.

437
00:24:25,809 --> 00:24:28,087
Our photographer is alive.

438
00:24:28,225 --> 00:24:32,229
- Back, back, back, back.
- -He survived the collapse of the South Tower,

439
00:24:32,367 --> 00:24:37,130
so he can't be anyone
who died at or before 9:59.

440
00:24:38,407 --> 00:24:39,719
Frame ten.

441
00:24:39,857 --> 00:24:42,308
Taken at West and Vesey,
facing south.

442
00:24:42,964 --> 00:24:44,655
There's the north bridge.

443
00:24:46,036 --> 00:24:49,764
In frame ten, we also have
our first identification:

444
00:24:50,212 --> 00:24:53,422
Rabbi Edgar Gluck,
a co-founder of Hatzalah,

445
00:24:53,561 --> 00:24:55,735
a Jewish EMS organization.

446
00:24:55,873 --> 00:24:57,806
He's now 89 years old.

447
00:24:58,497 --> 00:25:01,016
Tati, Tati, roll the chair left
a little bit.

448
00:25:01,154 --> 00:25:04,675
- Right.
- -Your whole body needs to move over two inches.

449
00:25:06,677 --> 00:25:09,749
Perfect. The position you're in
right now is perfect.

450
00:25:09,887 --> 00:25:12,303
- Got it.
- -So, Rabbi Gluck, can you tell me

451
00:25:12,441 --> 00:25:15,617
where you were
when the building fell?
Uh, how were you protected?

452
00:25:16,894 --> 00:25:18,033
I wasn't.

453
00:25:18,862 --> 00:25:20,277
I wasn't.

454
00:25:20,795 --> 00:25:23,625
I had no protection gear on.
I had nothing on.

455
00:25:23,763 --> 00:25:26,041
It's just that I went in
to save lives.

456
00:25:26,525 --> 00:25:28,078
You literally couldn't see.

457
00:25:28,216 --> 00:25:30,390
The dust and everything
was so thick.

458
00:25:30,770 --> 00:25:32,600
And the building
was coming down.

459
00:25:33,497 --> 00:25:35,499
I ended up on Vesey Street

460
00:25:35,948 --> 00:25:38,778
and police started
washing out my eyes.

461
00:25:39,917 --> 00:25:43,369
Do you remember
seeing a photographer
taking that picture?

462
00:25:44,025 --> 00:25:47,960
- Do I remember what?
- Do you remember a photographer taking that picture?

463
00:25:48,098 --> 00:25:49,858
No. No.

464
00:25:50,997 --> 00:25:53,379
In the middle
of running and everything else,

465
00:25:53,517 --> 00:25:54,829
I had absolutely no time.

466
00:25:54,967 --> 00:25:56,520
I didn't even
have time to smile.

467
00:25:56,658 --> 00:25:59,316
I would interject
and just say

468
00:25:59,454 --> 00:26:03,389
the mere fact that I have
seen a photo of my dad,

469
00:26:03,527 --> 00:26:06,910
that we know a timeline
and where he physically was,

470
00:26:07,048 --> 00:26:09,982
like he was
in between the Twin Towers

471
00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:13,123
when one building was down,
the second one wasn't.

472
00:26:14,193 --> 00:26:15,194
He...

473
00:26:15,332 --> 00:26:17,368
And is around
to talk about that,

474
00:26:17,506 --> 00:26:20,786
I mean, that, to me,
is just amazing and fascinating,

475
00:26:20,924 --> 00:26:22,822
and I thank God
for that every day.

476
00:26:27,586 --> 00:26:30,589
- Frame 11.
- -And there we were, we were outside,

477
00:26:30,727 --> 00:26:35,663
and there's, like, four inches
of this type of paper dust.

478
00:26:36,491 --> 00:26:38,562
You wanna pull that out
and give that to me?

479
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:41,116
And then you could feel
the World Trade Center.

480
00:26:42,290 --> 00:26:43,360
You could smell it.

481
00:26:43,498 --> 00:26:45,673
Pedro. Paige?

482
00:26:46,363 --> 00:26:49,021
Get the bag out,
out of the refrigerator.

483
00:26:49,677 --> 00:26:53,715
So, this is a piece
of the World Trade Center.

484
00:26:53,853 --> 00:26:55,821
And, to me, I could smell it,

485
00:26:55,959 --> 00:26:59,479
and it smells like the day
of the World Trade Center.

486
00:26:59,618 --> 00:27:02,828
Pedro, give me the bag.
I haven't shared this
with too many people.

487
00:27:02,966 --> 00:27:04,830
But this was the dust

488
00:27:04,968 --> 00:27:08,178
that was inside my clothes,
inside my car.

489
00:27:09,766 --> 00:27:12,389
So, you wanna know
what the World Trade Center
was like?

490
00:27:13,459 --> 00:27:16,289
This is what it was like,
and this is what it looked like.

491
00:27:17,532 --> 00:27:19,223
And this is what
it smelled like.

492
00:27:22,399 --> 00:27:26,299
That's what
the World Trade Centers
were reduced to.

493
00:27:26,817 --> 00:27:28,267
And this is what the people...

494
00:27:29,371 --> 00:27:30,718
...were reduced to.

495
00:27:31,477 --> 00:27:32,685
And if you smell that...

496
00:27:33,099 --> 00:27:35,412
And sometimes I smell
and go through it.

497
00:27:35,550 --> 00:27:36,896
Smell it. You wanna smell it?

498
00:27:37,034 --> 00:27:38,691
That's what it smelled like
at Ground Zero.

499
00:27:38,829 --> 00:27:39,934
It has that smell.

500
00:27:40,486 --> 00:27:42,074
- It's like a musty--
- Yeah.

501
00:27:42,212 --> 00:27:43,834
And it's not
because of moisture.

502
00:27:44,386 --> 00:27:47,873
And, you know,
so, we, we keep it real.

503
00:27:48,908 --> 00:27:50,565
You know? Oops.

504
00:27:50,703 --> 00:27:52,084
Sorry, God.

505
00:27:52,222 --> 00:27:54,120
And if you look in the bag...

506
00:27:56,778 --> 00:27:57,986
...you could almost see here.

507
00:27:58,124 --> 00:28:00,161
Look at this right here.

508
00:28:00,851 --> 00:28:02,301
I don't wanna
touch it because...

509
00:28:02,439 --> 00:28:04,890
But if you look
inside deep enough,

510
00:28:05,028 --> 00:28:08,134
you could almost think
you see hair follicles.

511
00:28:08,997 --> 00:28:12,207
Here's-- It's a piece
of glass or something.
You don't know what.

512
00:28:12,345 --> 00:28:14,520
I think. So, that's,
that's the World Trade Center.

513
00:28:14,658 --> 00:28:15,935
Here, Pedro.

514
00:28:16,556 --> 00:28:18,248
Thanks. Let me wash my hands.

515
00:28:18,386 --> 00:28:19,490
Excuse me.

516
00:28:19,628 --> 00:28:21,492
Yeah, you should
rinse your hands.

517
00:28:24,081 --> 00:28:26,739
Frame 12. Great.

518
00:28:26,877 --> 00:28:29,673
A cop bending down, facing away,

519
00:28:29,811 --> 00:28:32,124
covered in dust. And a dog.

520
00:28:32,883 --> 00:28:35,196
No way we'll ID them, right?

521
00:28:35,714 --> 00:28:36,680
Wrong.

522
00:28:37,163 --> 00:28:38,578
Bob Schnelle was a member

523
00:28:38,717 --> 00:28:41,547
of the NYPD's elite
Emergency Service Unit,

524
00:28:41,685 --> 00:28:42,962
or ESU.

525
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:46,966
The only reason we found Bob
is because of his dog, Atlas,

526
00:28:47,104 --> 00:28:49,175
who's kind of 9/11 famous.

527
00:28:54,077 --> 00:28:57,425
When I contacted you,
you were able to tell right away

528
00:28:57,563 --> 00:28:59,841
that this was you,
because of Atlas,

529
00:28:59,979 --> 00:29:01,843
-right?
-Yeah, and I,
I kinda know what I look like.

530
00:29:01,981 --> 00:29:05,226
- Even, even from the back.
- -Fair.

531
00:29:05,605 --> 00:29:07,159
There are people
that remember the dog's name

532
00:29:07,297 --> 00:29:09,851
and then they won't
remember my name.

533
00:29:09,989 --> 00:29:11,577
- It's like the Atlas guy.
- Yeah.

534
00:29:11,715 --> 00:29:14,097
Atlas's handler.
That's what I'm referred to.

535
00:29:15,719 --> 00:29:17,617
I'm trying to figure out,
like, what I was doing,

536
00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:20,517
'cause it looks like I'm looking
at something on the ground.

537
00:29:20,655 --> 00:29:23,589
Am I looking at... a body part?

538
00:29:23,727 --> 00:29:24,659
Could be.

539
00:29:25,108 --> 00:29:26,523
Is it part of the plane?

540
00:29:27,075 --> 00:29:28,628
'Cause there were
pieces of the plane

541
00:29:28,767 --> 00:29:30,699
spread out throughout the area.

542
00:29:31,977 --> 00:29:35,359
Once that first tower came down,
it just turned into total chaos.

543
00:29:35,497 --> 00:29:37,603
It was like something
chasing you.

544
00:29:37,741 --> 00:29:40,537
Like, I could feel, like,
this debris coming.

545
00:29:40,675 --> 00:29:43,229
It was like
being chased by a tornado.

546
00:29:45,300 --> 00:29:48,165
Okay. So, this is...
Here's Atlas.

547
00:29:48,303 --> 00:29:50,581
He actually got promoted
to detective too.

548
00:29:50,719 --> 00:29:52,894
He made detective before I did.

549
00:29:53,688 --> 00:29:55,103
He got promoted before me.

550
00:29:57,312 --> 00:29:59,798
You don't recall
seeing any still photographer?

551
00:29:59,936 --> 00:30:01,178
No.

552
00:30:01,316 --> 00:30:02,904
Nah. No.

553
00:30:09,393 --> 00:30:12,914
See, this, this sergeant
now is Tommy Sullivan.

554
00:30:14,674 --> 00:30:16,918
- And this guy here...
- Mm-hmm.

555
00:30:17,056 --> 00:30:19,956
...I think he's an ESU cop.

556
00:30:20,646 --> 00:30:22,061
His name was Frank.

557
00:30:22,199 --> 00:30:25,099
He's got an Italian last name.
He's very Italian.

558
00:30:25,616 --> 00:30:26,721
Frank...

559
00:30:26,859 --> 00:30:29,862
I think it's Massi, M-A-S-S-I.

560
00:30:30,725 --> 00:30:35,626
Frank DeMasi.
D-E, capital M-A-S-I.

561
00:30:36,904 --> 00:30:38,526
On September 11th,
I was assigned

562
00:30:38,664 --> 00:30:41,253
to the NYPD Emergency
Service Unit.

563
00:30:41,391 --> 00:30:43,462
There's an old saying
in emergency service,

564
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:45,809
"When someone needs help,
they call a cop.

565
00:30:45,947 --> 00:30:48,950
And when a cop needs help,
he calls emergency service."

566
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,333
Frame 13 gives us five IDs.

567
00:30:52,471 --> 00:30:57,027
Tommy Sullivan,
Richie Donnangelo,
Franco Barberio,

568
00:30:57,165 --> 00:31:00,962
Curtis Garvey,
seen here in 9/11 news footage.

569
00:31:01,100 --> 00:31:02,619
Look at his left wrist.

570
00:31:02,757 --> 00:31:05,380
Here, and here. Same guy.

571
00:31:05,933 --> 00:31:08,142
And, finally, Frank DeMasi.

572
00:31:09,453 --> 00:31:12,180
This is after
the South Tower came down.

573
00:31:12,318 --> 00:31:14,424
Before the North Tower
came down.

574
00:31:14,942 --> 00:31:17,945
About ten of us dove underneath

575
00:31:18,083 --> 00:31:20,637
the big emergency
service truck for cover.

576
00:31:27,471 --> 00:31:29,888
Everything went pitch black...

577
00:31:30,026 --> 00:31:32,580
...and there was
a deafening silence.

578
00:31:34,271 --> 00:31:37,205
You couldn't hear,
you couldn't see,

579
00:31:37,343 --> 00:31:39,932
and I was at the point
where I couldn't breathe.

580
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,832
Your mouth was just
being filled with glass

581
00:31:43,971 --> 00:31:46,283
and debris and soot.

582
00:31:46,421 --> 00:31:48,699
That was the biggest
point of the day

583
00:31:48,837 --> 00:31:50,598
that I thought I was gonna die.

584
00:31:51,875 --> 00:31:53,704
And after about nine minutes,

585
00:31:53,842 --> 00:31:56,224
I remember you can
start seeing daylight

586
00:31:56,362 --> 00:31:58,709
coming through the cloud.

587
00:31:59,814 --> 00:32:02,990
And we climbed out
from, from under the truck,

588
00:32:03,128 --> 00:32:06,407
and we survived
the South Tower collapse.

589
00:32:06,855 --> 00:32:08,616
So, you said that
you were under this truck

590
00:32:08,754 --> 00:32:10,342
- for about nine minutes, right?
- Yes.

591
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,171
The South Tower fell at 9:59.

592
00:32:12,309 --> 00:32:14,863
That puts it at
between 10:08 and 10:28

593
00:32:15,002 --> 00:32:16,520
that this picture was taken.

594
00:32:16,658 --> 00:32:19,420
Because this--
the other tower fell at 10:28.

595
00:32:19,558 --> 00:32:23,631
Yes, this is
definitely in between
the two towers falling.

596
00:32:23,769 --> 00:32:27,083
I was nowhere to be found
on this intersection

597
00:32:27,221 --> 00:32:29,292
as the North Tower
was coming down.

598
00:32:29,706 --> 00:32:33,020
I was running down
West Street, running,

599
00:32:33,158 --> 00:32:35,194
running toward the Hudson River.

600
00:32:35,954 --> 00:32:38,749
So, when you say, uh,
you running towards the Hudson,

601
00:32:38,887 --> 00:32:41,545
-you were down Vesey
towards the Hudson?
-On, uh--

602
00:32:41,683 --> 00:32:43,099
-West would have been going--
-On Vesey.

603
00:32:43,237 --> 00:32:44,410
Yeah. I know this can be
because West and--

604
00:32:44,548 --> 00:32:46,309
I was running west on Vesey.

605
00:32:46,447 --> 00:32:47,620
-West on Vesey.
-Yes.

606
00:32:47,758 --> 00:32:50,175
-Not north on West. Okay.
-That's correct.

607
00:32:50,313 --> 00:32:51,624
That's correct.

608
00:32:51,762 --> 00:32:54,662
Moving on. Frame 14.

609
00:32:55,145 --> 00:32:58,424
When I first saw this,
I recognized the firefighter.

610
00:32:58,562 --> 00:33:02,670
Not by name. But I knew
I'd seen him before, somewhere.

611
00:33:02,808 --> 00:33:05,535
It took me a minute.
Then it clicked.

612
00:33:05,673 --> 00:33:08,814
He was caught on camera
before the South Tower fell

613
00:33:08,952 --> 00:33:12,266
byNew York Daily News
photographer David Handschuh.

614
00:33:12,404 --> 00:33:13,715
Look at his helmet.

615
00:33:13,853 --> 00:33:17,547
Engine 55. Number 8934.

616
00:33:18,444 --> 00:33:20,929
Once again,
you see the North Tower,

617
00:33:21,068 --> 00:33:23,794
the Vesey Bridge, WTC 6,

618
00:33:23,932 --> 00:33:25,451
and the Verizon Building.

619
00:33:25,589 --> 00:33:27,453
But who's the firefighter?

620
00:33:31,526 --> 00:33:33,666
Oh, this is Paul Quinn,
55 Engine.

621
00:33:33,804 --> 00:33:36,497
He was the chauffeur.
He was right under the building.

622
00:33:36,635 --> 00:33:38,430
I don't know how he survived.

623
00:33:38,568 --> 00:33:41,950
You know, like the guy that
walks between the raindrops?

624
00:33:42,089 --> 00:33:44,988
This guy was right there,
and he survived.

625
00:33:45,126 --> 00:33:46,714
He was, he was a mess, though.

626
00:33:47,646 --> 00:33:49,924
One more thing
about Paul Quinn, maybe.

627
00:33:50,062 --> 00:33:54,170
On December 23rd, 2001,
I visited Ground Zero.

628
00:33:55,412 --> 00:33:56,862
That's me.

629
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,277
Is this Quinn?

630
00:33:58,415 --> 00:34:00,245
You can see
a "5" on his helmet.

631
00:34:00,383 --> 00:34:01,763
It kinda looks like him.

632
00:34:02,143 --> 00:34:04,732
I tried to find him today,
but I failed.

633
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:06,182
He's kind of a ghost.

634
00:34:06,561 --> 00:34:10,186
So I still don't know
if I ran into him 25 years ago.

635
00:34:10,772 --> 00:34:14,017
Now, what about the other guy,
White Helmet Man?

636
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:16,226
Wait, you misspelled it.

637
00:34:26,650 --> 00:34:28,204
What does it mean to you

638
00:34:28,342 --> 00:34:31,069
25 years later
to see this picture?

639
00:34:31,655 --> 00:34:34,658
It means what I say
to everybody that asks me.

640
00:34:35,935 --> 00:34:38,731
People that meet me
and find out that I was there

641
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:41,217
ask me what it feels
like to be a hero.

642
00:34:42,287 --> 00:34:43,495
I said, "I don't know."

643
00:34:44,151 --> 00:34:45,255
And they said, "Why?"

644
00:34:45,393 --> 00:34:46,774
I said,
"Because I'm not a hero."

645
00:34:47,878 --> 00:34:50,743
I don't think
that I really deserve

646
00:34:50,881 --> 00:34:52,918
any extra recognition
for being there.

647
00:34:53,056 --> 00:34:54,920
The recognition I have
is that I'm sitting here

648
00:34:55,058 --> 00:34:56,611
25 years later, talking to you,

649
00:34:56,749 --> 00:34:58,820
and I have a beautiful wife
and two children.

650
00:35:01,029 --> 00:35:04,619
Michele was getting ready
to plan my funeral

651
00:35:04,757 --> 00:35:07,139
when I got home
and knocked on the door.

652
00:35:09,831 --> 00:35:12,765
- Do you remember somebody taking your picture?
- I don't.

653
00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:14,802
I don't.

654
00:35:15,389 --> 00:35:17,908
Frame 15.

655
00:35:18,046 --> 00:35:19,703
We haven't ID'd this guy.

656
00:35:20,394 --> 00:35:22,741
Mm. You can kinda read
the last name.

657
00:35:23,638 --> 00:35:24,984
- O--
- O-R-E.

658
00:35:25,123 --> 00:35:27,090
- O-R-E, yeah.
- Uh, maybe a T?

659
00:35:27,228 --> 00:35:28,712
Yeah, it looks like a T.

660
00:35:29,368 --> 00:35:30,542
Interesting.

661
00:35:31,612 --> 00:35:33,372
Only one firefighter who died

662
00:35:33,510 --> 00:35:35,926
had a last name
that ended with those letters.

663
00:35:36,064 --> 00:35:39,413
John August Santore,
of Ladder 5.

664
00:35:40,068 --> 00:35:41,415
They certainly look alike.

665
00:35:41,553 --> 00:35:43,382
But many of these guys do.

666
00:35:44,176 --> 00:35:46,454
I reached out
to Santore's family.

667
00:35:46,592 --> 00:35:49,526
They said, unfortunately,
it isn't him.

668
00:35:50,355 --> 00:35:51,494
So who is it?

669
00:35:53,461 --> 00:35:55,532
Frame 16.

670
00:35:55,670 --> 00:35:57,051
Is that the same guy?

671
00:35:57,845 --> 00:35:59,985
It's hard to tell.
Which highlights

672
00:36:00,123 --> 00:36:02,539
something important
about our 32 frames.

673
00:36:02,677 --> 00:36:04,610
We haven't ID'd everyone.

674
00:36:04,748 --> 00:36:08,304
There's no way to ID everyone
unless we publish them.

675
00:36:09,097 --> 00:36:10,340
Frame 17.

676
00:36:10,754 --> 00:36:12,377
Taken on Vesey Street

677
00:36:12,515 --> 00:36:14,655
in front of
the American Express building.

678
00:36:15,552 --> 00:36:17,761
My name is Rob Siragusa,

679
00:36:17,899 --> 00:36:20,695
and I was a member
of Engine Company 55

680
00:36:20,833 --> 00:36:22,525
on September 11th.

681
00:36:23,457 --> 00:36:25,044
After the first collapse,

682
00:36:25,183 --> 00:36:28,600
there were guys
walking around like zombies.

683
00:36:29,221 --> 00:36:30,878
That's when I saw John.

684
00:36:32,017 --> 00:36:34,019
He came walking
out of the rubble,

685
00:36:34,157 --> 00:36:37,195
covered in that white ash
and dust from the Trade Center.

686
00:36:37,333 --> 00:36:38,955
He was kind of in shock.

687
00:36:40,025 --> 00:36:42,027
He was the chauffeur
of 24 Engine that day,

688
00:36:42,165 --> 00:36:44,650
so he was out in the street
when the building came down.

689
00:36:45,479 --> 00:36:47,170
So, I kind of just grabbed him.

690
00:36:47,308 --> 00:36:48,723
I put him
in the first ambulance,

691
00:36:48,861 --> 00:36:51,450
and that was the last
I saw of him for that day.

692
00:36:51,899 --> 00:36:53,832
Do you remember
the photo being taken?

693
00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:56,938
No. No, I don't remember
anybody taking this picture.

694
00:36:57,491 --> 00:37:00,563
- Do you remember somebody taking this picture?
- No, not at all.

695
00:37:00,942 --> 00:37:02,910
Somebody had actually
sent me this photo.

696
00:37:04,877 --> 00:37:07,225
I think it was left
on my coat rack

697
00:37:07,363 --> 00:37:10,228
in an envelope
where we keep our gear.

698
00:37:10,366 --> 00:37:12,230
No name was ever put
on it or anything.

699
00:37:12,368 --> 00:37:14,301
It was just addressed to me.

700
00:37:14,956 --> 00:37:15,923
And that was it.

701
00:37:16,924 --> 00:37:18,581
The first time
I saw this photo was

702
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,860
I was in front of the firehouse,
a car pulls up,

703
00:37:21,998 --> 00:37:23,758
a person,
the driver calls my name,

704
00:37:23,896 --> 00:37:25,933
never saw the person
before in my life.

705
00:37:26,692 --> 00:37:28,556
He says, "I have this picture."

706
00:37:29,212 --> 00:37:30,351
He hands it to me.

707
00:37:30,834 --> 00:37:33,078
"Okay, thank you."
And he took off.

708
00:37:33,699 --> 00:37:34,942
The weirdest thing.

709
00:37:35,736 --> 00:37:37,116
Never saw the guy again.

710
00:37:37,531 --> 00:37:39,326
I have no idea how he knew me.

711
00:37:40,982 --> 00:37:41,776
Crazy.

712
00:37:42,536 --> 00:37:45,401
Do you remember
how long after the attacks?

713
00:37:46,609 --> 00:37:49,197
Uh, couldn't be that long.

714
00:37:49,715 --> 00:37:52,684
Had to be maybe
a, a-- two weeks tops.

715
00:37:54,548 --> 00:37:58,552
The origin story of our camera,
of our photos, is murky.

716
00:37:58,690 --> 00:38:00,485
Our source, John Calderone,

717
00:38:00,623 --> 00:38:03,177
got them roughly
a year after 9/11.

718
00:38:03,315 --> 00:38:04,592
But who found the camera?

719
00:38:04,730 --> 00:38:06,249
Who developed the photos?

720
00:38:06,387 --> 00:38:09,597
Why did they anonymously
send one to Siragusa?

721
00:38:09,735 --> 00:38:11,289
Why did they toss it
to Ottrando,

722
00:38:11,427 --> 00:38:15,154
say, more or less,
"Hey, it's you," and speed off?

723
00:38:15,293 --> 00:38:17,018
We'll get back to that later.

724
00:38:20,332 --> 00:38:23,093
For now, our photographer is,
once again,

725
00:38:23,231 --> 00:38:25,199
moving closer to the towers.

726
00:38:25,337 --> 00:38:27,719
Wait, sorry. Tower. Singular.

727
00:38:27,857 --> 00:38:30,480
Only one still stands.
The North Tower.

728
00:38:30,618 --> 00:38:32,033
But not for long.

729
00:38:32,413 --> 00:38:34,588
Frame 18.

730
00:38:34,726 --> 00:38:37,625
Taken under the Vesey bridge,
looking north,

731
00:38:37,763 --> 00:38:41,042
which is why you see
blue sky and sunlight.

732
00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:43,044
A momentary pause.

733
00:38:43,182 --> 00:38:45,392
And then our photographer turns

734
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:48,222
and keeps walking into danger.

735
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,638
A decision that'll end his life.

736
00:38:51,294 --> 00:38:54,055
Frame 19.

737
00:38:54,193 --> 00:38:56,989
A man in a suit
passes by our photographer,

738
00:38:57,127 --> 00:38:58,370
staring right at him.

739
00:38:58,508 --> 00:39:00,683
Suit Man. Likely a civilian,

740
00:39:00,821 --> 00:39:03,168
one of thousands who evacuated.

741
00:39:03,306 --> 00:39:04,894
He's a key witness.

742
00:39:05,032 --> 00:39:08,207
If anyone can describe
our photographer, it's him.

743
00:39:08,346 --> 00:39:11,970
But a quarter century later,
how are we supposed to find him?

744
00:39:12,108 --> 00:39:15,698
Dark suit, tie,
black bag, blue pen.

745
00:39:15,836 --> 00:39:18,114
That's it. No real clues.

746
00:39:18,252 --> 00:39:19,667
Which is frustrating.

747
00:39:21,531 --> 00:39:26,294
I actually found
another photo of him,
taken a short time later.

748
00:39:26,433 --> 00:39:27,882
Look at the details.

749
00:39:28,020 --> 00:39:33,785
Same tie, bag, pen,
suit, face. Same guy.

750
00:39:33,923 --> 00:39:36,477
What's different is
that his glasses are gone,

751
00:39:36,615 --> 00:39:39,169
we can see that he's holding
a yellow flashlight,

752
00:39:39,307 --> 00:39:42,345
and most importantly,
he's covered in dust.

753
00:39:42,483 --> 00:39:44,312
The flashlight is interesting.

754
00:39:44,451 --> 00:39:47,074
Why is he carrying it
in broad daylight?

755
00:39:47,212 --> 00:39:48,696
Where did it come from?

756
00:39:49,283 --> 00:39:50,664
And look at the dust.

757
00:39:50,802 --> 00:39:54,046
In frame 19,
taken earlier, he's clean.

758
00:39:54,184 --> 00:39:57,291
It seems that Suit Man
was inside the North Tower

759
00:39:57,429 --> 00:39:59,051
when the South Tower fell.

760
00:39:59,189 --> 00:40:01,433
He's likely one
of the final civilians

761
00:40:01,571 --> 00:40:02,986
to escape the North Tower.

762
00:40:03,470 --> 00:40:06,473
I search for anyone
matching his description

763
00:40:06,611 --> 00:40:07,888
and find none.

764
00:40:08,578 --> 00:40:10,338
What about Silver Suit Man?

765
00:40:10,477 --> 00:40:13,721
A first responder
in some kind of protective gear.

766
00:40:13,859 --> 00:40:16,241
But there were hundreds,
if not thousands,

767
00:40:16,379 --> 00:40:20,487
of first responders at or near
the Trade Center on 9/11.

768
00:40:20,625 --> 00:40:22,454
And we can't see his face.

769
00:40:22,592 --> 00:40:23,904
I need some help.

770
00:40:24,629 --> 00:40:27,459
- Hello.
-Hey, Glen. It's Jon Walczak.
How are you?

771
00:40:27,597 --> 00:40:29,150
-Good. How are you doing?
-Good.

772
00:40:29,288 --> 00:40:33,292
So, there's a guy
in a silver suit
with a Scott tank,

773
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,364
and I'm curious
if you can tell whether or not,

774
00:40:36,503 --> 00:40:38,677
um, he's NYPD or FDNY.

775
00:40:39,298 --> 00:40:42,129
That looks like
a two-piece suit.
Ours was one piece.

776
00:40:42,612 --> 00:40:44,131
His hands are exposed.

777
00:40:44,269 --> 00:40:48,238
And also, that air pack,
ours went inside the suit.

778
00:40:48,722 --> 00:40:50,102
So, this is
a little bit different.

779
00:40:50,620 --> 00:40:53,520
So, Silver Suit Man
is not a cop.

780
00:40:53,658 --> 00:40:55,383
Maybe he's a firefighter.

781
00:40:55,522 --> 00:40:58,594
I decide to visit
the New York City Fire Museum.

782
00:41:12,504 --> 00:41:15,231
Thankfully, so far, everybody
we've identified survived.

783
00:41:15,369 --> 00:41:19,200
But I don't know who this is.
Somebody with a Scott pack.

784
00:41:19,338 --> 00:41:21,858
-So, that looks like
Port Authority Fire, right?
-That--

785
00:41:21,996 --> 00:41:24,136
that-- I might know who that is.

786
00:41:24,620 --> 00:41:25,897
-I know who that is.
-That's--

787
00:41:26,035 --> 00:41:27,346
That's my old roommate.

788
00:41:28,140 --> 00:41:30,764
That's Patso Versage.
He was Port Authority ESU.

789
00:41:30,902 --> 00:41:33,767
He died of 9/11 illness in 2014.

790
00:41:34,388 --> 00:41:36,390
He was my college roommate.
We were fraternity brothers.

791
00:41:36,528 --> 00:41:38,012
I can show you a picture of him.

792
00:41:39,048 --> 00:41:40,428
Patrick Versage.

793
00:41:40,808 --> 00:41:42,810
Right before he died,
our homecoming.

794
00:41:42,948 --> 00:41:45,123
- Wow.
- And this, I'll show you.

795
00:41:46,089 --> 00:41:47,919
- That's him.
- Wow.

796
00:41:48,057 --> 00:41:49,299
He talked down two jumpers
on the Bayonne Bridge

797
00:41:49,437 --> 00:41:51,129
in one day. But that's him.

798
00:41:51,923 --> 00:41:53,303
Here's Silver Suit Man,

799
00:41:53,441 --> 00:41:55,996
and here's Patrick
in news video.

800
00:41:56,134 --> 00:41:58,067
Amazingly, despite
being photographed

801
00:41:58,205 --> 00:42:01,173
walking toward the North Tower
minutes before it fell,

802
00:42:01,311 --> 00:42:03,210
he survived at first.

803
00:42:03,831 --> 00:42:07,973
Thirteen years later, he died
from 9/11-related illnesses.

804
00:42:08,111 --> 00:42:09,803
I reach out to his family.

805
00:42:09,941 --> 00:42:12,530
His wife, Carolyn,
agrees that Silver Suit Man

806
00:42:12,668 --> 00:42:14,221
is likely Patrick.

807
00:42:14,877 --> 00:42:16,637
Now, one final thing.

808
00:42:16,775 --> 00:42:18,018
Look at the truck.

809
00:42:18,156 --> 00:42:19,226
Ladder 3.

810
00:42:20,227 --> 00:42:24,334
There were hundreds
of vehicles at the site
on September 11th.

811
00:42:24,472 --> 00:42:26,992
Out of all the vehicles
that survived,

812
00:42:27,130 --> 00:42:30,306
what immediately caught your eye
about Ladder 3?

813
00:42:30,893 --> 00:42:32,377
It was enigmatic.

814
00:42:32,515 --> 00:42:34,379
I couldn't figure it out,
actually.

815
00:42:34,517 --> 00:42:37,037
I needed to walk around it
to take it in.

816
00:42:37,485 --> 00:42:42,629
And then I saw it
as what you're seeing now.

817
00:42:43,008 --> 00:42:45,459
The front cab is decapitated.

818
00:42:45,942 --> 00:42:48,600
The ladder is distorted.

819
00:42:48,980 --> 00:42:50,637
It's almost weeping.

820
00:42:51,465 --> 00:42:57,160
And it seemed like
a powerful surrogate

821
00:42:57,298 --> 00:43:02,407
for everyone associated
with Emergency Rescue that day.

822
00:43:03,304 --> 00:43:05,341
I had asked the museum,
uh, Stephanie,

823
00:43:05,479 --> 00:43:06,791
and she said that unfortunately

824
00:43:06,929 --> 00:43:08,586
there are no images of Ladder 3

825
00:43:08,724 --> 00:43:11,589
between the fall of the South
and the North Tower.

826
00:43:11,727 --> 00:43:13,418
What would something
like that mean?

827
00:43:13,901 --> 00:43:16,663
Since all of the 11 firefighters

828
00:43:16,801 --> 00:43:19,182
associated
with this truck perished,

829
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,530
having a photograph
of the rig parked nearby

830
00:43:22,669 --> 00:43:25,085
would be
a very poignant prelude.

831
00:43:25,223 --> 00:43:27,984
Nobody going
into that tower that morning

832
00:43:28,122 --> 00:43:29,883
probably thought on their way up

833
00:43:30,021 --> 00:43:32,299
that it was going
to collapse on them.

834
00:43:35,129 --> 00:43:35,992
Ah.

835
00:43:41,860 --> 00:43:43,793
Oh, wow.

836
00:43:44,725 --> 00:43:47,797
This is a previously
unpublished photo

837
00:43:47,935 --> 00:43:52,077
from an unknown camera
that was found in the pile

838
00:43:52,215 --> 00:43:54,424
that the images have surfaced

839
00:43:54,562 --> 00:43:56,875
-24 years later.
-Wow.

840
00:43:57,565 --> 00:43:59,809
That's amazing. Look at it.

841
00:43:59,947 --> 00:44:04,193
And the ladder
is absolutely pristine.

842
00:44:06,609 --> 00:44:09,336
- Ah.
- -So this is after the fall of the S-- the South Tower.

843
00:44:09,474 --> 00:44:11,649
South Tower,
because of the debris
that's on the street.

844
00:44:11,787 --> 00:44:13,029
Absolutely.

845
00:44:13,858 --> 00:44:15,169
That's just remarkable.

846
00:44:17,551 --> 00:44:21,762
Moving on, our photographer
crosses under the Vesey bridge.

847
00:44:21,900 --> 00:44:25,386
As the North Tower burns above,
he stands here.

848
00:44:25,835 --> 00:44:27,423
Frame 20.

849
00:44:27,561 --> 00:44:29,563
I don't know
who any of these people are.

850
00:44:29,701 --> 00:44:33,291
Like Suit Man, they appear to be
some of the final civilians

851
00:44:33,429 --> 00:44:36,432
to escape the North Tower,
or maybe the Marriott.

852
00:44:36,984 --> 00:44:40,229
A minute or two later,
these three people
are photographed

853
00:44:40,367 --> 00:44:42,714
further north on West Street
by Bill Biggart,

854
00:44:42,852 --> 00:44:45,613
the only journalist killed
while covering 9/11.

855
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,239
As of production,
his estate hasn't allowed us
to use the photo.

856
00:44:50,377 --> 00:44:52,310
But since he took it
with a digital camera,

857
00:44:52,448 --> 00:44:55,002
we have an important clue,
metadata.

858
00:44:55,416 --> 00:44:59,662
Biggart snaps his photo
at exactly 10:21:27,

859
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:03,701
six minutes and 58 seconds
before the North Tower falls.

860
00:45:03,839 --> 00:45:07,221
Incredibly, the same trio
is photographed again,

861
00:45:07,359 --> 00:45:09,085
this time by Mike Coppola,

862
00:45:09,223 --> 00:45:12,192
a volunteer firefighter
and EMT with a camera.

863
00:45:12,675 --> 00:45:14,125
Seen here in this footage

864
00:45:14,263 --> 00:45:17,335
taken by CBS News cameraman
Mark LaGanga.

865
00:45:21,201 --> 00:45:23,513
Why is this trio
photographed three times

866
00:45:23,651 --> 00:45:26,137
by three people
in a matter of minutes?

867
00:45:26,275 --> 00:45:27,759
Likely because, at this point,

868
00:45:27,897 --> 00:45:30,658
there's so few
other civilians in this area,

869
00:45:30,797 --> 00:45:32,039
they stand out.

870
00:45:33,316 --> 00:45:35,594
And then, even they leave.

871
00:45:35,733 --> 00:45:38,183
Frame 21.

872
00:45:38,321 --> 00:45:40,047
A lone man in a white shirt

873
00:45:40,185 --> 00:45:42,532
stands in the rubble,
in extreme danger,

874
00:45:42,670 --> 00:45:44,707
with what appears to be
a news camera,

875
00:45:44,845 --> 00:45:46,191
filming the chaos.

876
00:45:46,674 --> 00:45:49,091
How am I supposed
to ID this guy?

877
00:45:49,574 --> 00:45:52,957
The key, it turns out,
is his footage.

878
00:45:53,095 --> 00:45:55,683
I pore over
hundreds of hours of video.

879
00:45:56,201 --> 00:45:59,411
My eyes are bleary,
my brain is fried.

880
00:45:59,895 --> 00:46:01,655
I need Dramamine.

881
00:46:01,793 --> 00:46:05,486
And then I see him,
his reflection in a window.

882
00:46:06,798 --> 00:46:09,145
First question.
Can you tell us your name,
and can you spell it?

883
00:46:09,283 --> 00:46:12,942
Mark LaGanga. Uh, L-A-G-A-N-G-A.

884
00:46:13,391 --> 00:46:15,807
The same guy
who filmed Mike Coppola.

885
00:46:16,290 --> 00:46:18,292
There's nothing
going in there, bro. Get out!

886
00:46:22,918 --> 00:46:27,025
The most stunning thing to me
is how calm you were.

887
00:46:27,888 --> 00:46:30,477
How do you stand
under a, a burning tower

888
00:46:30,615 --> 00:46:33,687
in the rubble of a collapsed
110-story building

889
00:46:33,825 --> 00:46:37,070
and just kinda keep your cool
and keep shooting?

890
00:46:38,657 --> 00:46:40,211
I, I don't know.

891
00:46:40,349 --> 00:46:42,178
Is he generally a calm guy?

892
00:46:45,250 --> 00:46:48,012
When you're shooting,
you kind of have a filter

893
00:46:48,150 --> 00:46:49,737
between you
and what's happening.

894
00:46:49,876 --> 00:46:51,981
Everything you see
is through one,

895
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:54,466
one little, tiny,
tiny black-and-white screen.

896
00:46:55,053 --> 00:46:57,400
So, when we see your video,

897
00:46:57,538 --> 00:46:59,368
we're seeing it in color,
but, in real time,

898
00:46:59,506 --> 00:47:00,818
- you were seeing it in black and white?
- -Yeah,

899
00:47:00,956 --> 00:47:02,198
and it's two-dimensional.

900
00:47:02,336 --> 00:47:04,097
And so
it's a little bit of a shield.

901
00:47:16,316 --> 00:47:18,628
You have a scar on your head.

902
00:47:19,250 --> 00:47:22,080
Bo, the sound partner
I was with, took a photo of me.

903
00:47:22,218 --> 00:47:26,257
There was some debris
when the building came down.

904
00:47:26,913 --> 00:47:28,915
Frame 22,

905
00:47:29,053 --> 00:47:31,676
which is almost
identical to frame 21.

906
00:47:31,814 --> 00:47:34,852
It appears our photographer
is adjusting camera settings,

907
00:47:34,990 --> 00:47:38,096
taking duplicate photos,
trying to get a clear image

908
00:47:38,234 --> 00:47:40,858
through haze and smoke.

909
00:47:46,242 --> 00:47:50,419
We also see Mark
in frame 23 and 24.

910
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,320
These were taken
less than ten minutes
before the North Tower fell.

911
00:47:55,458 --> 00:47:57,702
What made you leave on time?

912
00:47:58,461 --> 00:48:01,948
Um, I didn't know if--
to shoot anything else.

913
00:48:02,086 --> 00:48:03,604
It was that straightforward.

914
00:48:03,742 --> 00:48:05,641
There was a moment
in your footage

915
00:48:05,779 --> 00:48:07,988
where you pan over,

916
00:48:08,126 --> 00:48:10,542
and it's right
when our mystery photographer

917
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:12,924
-is taking your picture.
-Oh, really?

918
00:48:13,614 --> 00:48:16,169
I think in a minute,
you'll turn a little bit.

919
00:48:17,584 --> 00:48:21,036
But I would imagine
it was around this moment.

920
00:48:21,174 --> 00:48:22,485
Yeah, there you go. See?

921
00:48:23,314 --> 00:48:24,798
Pause it right there.

922
00:48:24,936 --> 00:48:26,179
So, roughly this moment,

923
00:48:26,317 --> 00:48:28,112
just out of frame,
maybe 100 feet away,

924
00:48:28,250 --> 00:48:31,011
our photographer was,
was taking your picture.

925
00:48:31,943 --> 00:48:33,151
Every time I watch this,

926
00:48:33,289 --> 00:48:35,464
I try to see
if I can spot somebody.

927
00:48:41,332 --> 00:48:43,575
So, this is--
You're right at West and Vesey.

928
00:48:44,059 --> 00:48:47,407
So, like, even this gentleman,
like every person that I see--

929
00:48:47,545 --> 00:48:50,962
- What's he carrying?
- Well, that's what I was-- I saw that earlier too.

930
00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:52,446
That's like a strap.

931
00:48:52,584 --> 00:48:54,448
I thought the same thing.
And then I was, like,

932
00:48:54,586 --> 00:48:57,313
"Is it a strap?
Is it a, a tool?"

933
00:49:03,492 --> 00:49:06,219
That looks to me
like a camera strap.

934
00:49:06,702 --> 00:49:09,774
And that's the way
you would hold a still.

935
00:49:10,533 --> 00:49:12,950
You were in the exact right spot
at the right moment,

936
00:49:13,088 --> 00:49:15,607
so the odds, like,
in a few minutes,

937
00:49:15,745 --> 00:49:18,058
a minute or two later
when you're closer,
he's photographing you.

938
00:49:18,196 --> 00:49:21,130
- So, the chance-- That could be him.
- -That looks like--

939
00:49:21,268 --> 00:49:23,581
I'm glad that you said
something 'cause I saw it
earlier and I was--

940
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,652
but, I mean, you know,
when I'm looking for somebody
with a camera,

941
00:49:25,790 --> 00:49:27,481
everything looks like a camera.

942
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:33,039
In our final frames,

943
00:49:33,177 --> 00:49:35,800
as tens of millions
of people around the world

944
00:49:35,938 --> 00:49:37,491
watch on live TV,

945
00:49:37,629 --> 00:49:39,459
below the fire, the smoke,

946
00:49:39,597 --> 00:49:41,530
the quarter-mile-high
skyscraper,

947
00:49:41,668 --> 00:49:43,635
at the bottom, on the street,

948
00:49:43,773 --> 00:49:45,430
near West and Vesey...

949
00:49:47,018 --> 00:49:48,502
...it's just our photographer

950
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,608
and his camera.

951
00:50:02,447 --> 00:50:05,174
Two more photos...

952
00:50:05,312 --> 00:50:07,211
...and the North Tower falls.

953
00:50:10,110 --> 00:50:11,698
Oh, my God.

954
00:50:14,977 --> 00:50:16,634
Oh, my God.

955
00:50:17,669 --> 00:50:19,154
Oh, my God.

956
00:50:21,949 --> 00:50:24,780
Oh, my God.
The whole building came down.

957
00:50:27,265 --> 00:50:28,646
Oh, my gosh.

958
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:35,515
Oh, my God.

959
00:50:39,070 --> 00:50:40,347
Oh, my God.

960
00:50:40,796 --> 00:50:42,591
Oh, you gotta be kidding!

961
00:50:43,212 --> 00:50:45,663
- What happened?
- -Second World Trade building went down.

962
00:50:45,801 --> 00:50:48,804
The second building went down.

963
00:50:48,942 --> 00:50:51,910
I never saw anything
like this in my entire life.

964
00:51:15,451 --> 00:51:17,143
- Who is it?
- Carol.

965
00:51:17,281 --> 00:51:18,834
Why are you crying, Carol?

966
00:51:18,972 --> 00:51:20,525
The World Trade Center
collapsed.

967
00:51:20,663 --> 00:51:22,182
Everything is collapsed, baby.

968
00:51:24,771 --> 00:51:26,704
All those people.
What about what's in there?

969
00:51:26,842 --> 00:51:29,431
EMTs and paramedics and, and,
and, and firefighters in there

970
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:32,848
- helping people to get out?
- I don't know,
sweetie. I really don't know.

971
00:51:32,986 --> 00:51:35,368
I just look around

972
00:51:35,506 --> 00:51:38,612
and I hear crackling sounds.

973
00:51:38,750 --> 00:51:41,098
And there's fire
coming out of the ground

974
00:51:41,684 --> 00:51:43,721
and gas mains are blowing.

975
00:51:44,342 --> 00:51:47,587
I saw the firemen
buried in this ash.

976
00:51:47,725 --> 00:51:50,107
I heard people screaming still.

977
00:51:50,693 --> 00:51:54,525
And then, afterwards,
it was like just a quiet canyon.

978
00:51:56,665 --> 00:51:59,737
I could taste
the chalk in the air.

979
00:52:00,841 --> 00:52:03,085
In the eerie dead silence,
honestly,

980
00:52:03,223 --> 00:52:05,639
we really didn't know
what to think at that point.

981
00:52:06,985 --> 00:52:08,711
The Twin Towers are gone,

982
00:52:08,849 --> 00:52:11,611
reduced to nearly
two million tons of debris.

983
00:52:12,267 --> 00:52:14,924
In there, somewhere,
lies our photographer.

984
00:52:15,062 --> 00:52:16,478
His camera too.

985
00:52:18,273 --> 00:52:22,139
Between 9:59 and 10:28,
when the towers fall,

986
00:52:22,277 --> 00:52:24,417
very few cameramen are nearby.

987
00:52:24,900 --> 00:52:27,730
Mark LaGanga,
of CBS News, is one.

988
00:52:27,868 --> 00:52:30,595
Jules Naudet,
seen here, is another.

989
00:52:30,733 --> 00:52:33,288
When I start this project,
one of my goals

990
00:52:33,426 --> 00:52:35,600
is to find as many of them
as possible,

991
00:52:35,738 --> 00:52:37,947
in part to see
if they have unpublished images

992
00:52:38,085 --> 00:52:40,191
that show
our mystery photographer,

993
00:52:40,329 --> 00:52:41,917
in part to hear their stories.

994
00:52:42,055 --> 00:52:44,368
During this key
29-minute period,

995
00:52:44,506 --> 00:52:46,439
maybe five to ten
people with cameras

996
00:52:46,577 --> 00:52:48,406
cross into the Danger Block:

997
00:52:48,544 --> 00:52:51,168
West Street,
between Liberty and Vesey.

998
00:52:51,789 --> 00:52:55,206
Some are first responders,
including Rich Rattazzi,

999
00:52:55,344 --> 00:52:57,657
a firefighter with Ladder 16.

1000
00:52:57,795 --> 00:53:00,867
I always carried
a disposable camera
in my pocket,

1001
00:53:01,005 --> 00:53:02,524
and I would just hold it out
in front of me

1002
00:53:02,662 --> 00:53:04,319
and I took pictures
as I was walking.

1003
00:53:07,114 --> 00:53:09,634
Rich is with firefighter
Rob Curatolo

1004
00:53:09,772 --> 00:53:11,567
and Lieutenant Ray Murphy.

1005
00:53:12,189 --> 00:53:14,329
We get under
the north crosswalk,

1006
00:53:14,467 --> 00:53:17,642
and we're hearing,
like, like a gush of air.

1007
00:53:17,780 --> 00:53:20,369
What it was, was due
to the height of Marriott,

1008
00:53:20,507 --> 00:53:22,992
we couldn't see the South Tower,

1009
00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:25,685
and it was actually
the South Tower collapsing.

1010
00:53:26,237 --> 00:53:28,274
And the only way
we knew it was that

1011
00:53:28,412 --> 00:53:31,656
was the whole center
of the Marriott exploded
out at us.

1012
00:53:32,243 --> 00:53:34,935
Rattazzi circles
the World Financial Center,

1013
00:53:35,073 --> 00:53:38,594
then crosses back
to the Danger Block.

1014
00:53:38,732 --> 00:53:41,010
All you could hear
was PASS alarms going off,

1015
00:53:41,148 --> 00:53:43,254
and it was,
it was guys in the rubble.

1016
00:53:44,048 --> 00:53:46,153
I couldn't find
Rob and Ray there.

1017
00:53:46,568 --> 00:53:50,399
And when I got
to the corner of West and Vesey

1018
00:53:50,537 --> 00:53:52,539
is when the North Tower
started to collapse.

1019
00:53:52,677 --> 00:53:55,922
So, I couldn't see,
and I was having
a real hard time breathin'.

1020
00:53:56,647 --> 00:53:58,614
I started throwing up
cranberry sauce.

1021
00:53:59,028 --> 00:54:01,030
It was all blood.

1022
00:54:01,168 --> 00:54:03,585
Rattazzi snaps
a few more photos,

1023
00:54:03,723 --> 00:54:06,933
including this, showing WTC 6.

1024
00:54:07,416 --> 00:54:09,660
And this, taken directly
in front of it.

1025
00:54:09,798 --> 00:54:13,042
You can also see the collapsed
Vesey bridge, here.

1026
00:54:13,974 --> 00:54:15,735
Banged up and vomiting blood,

1027
00:54:15,873 --> 00:54:17,840
Rich is taken
to a nearby hospital

1028
00:54:17,978 --> 00:54:20,153
where he searches
for Rob and Ray.

1029
00:54:20,602 --> 00:54:22,535
He can't find them.

1030
00:54:22,673 --> 00:54:25,952
Rob and Ray
were still unaccounted for.

1031
00:54:26,332 --> 00:54:29,300
So, your photo actually
became an important clue?

1032
00:54:29,438 --> 00:54:30,543
Yeah.

1033
00:54:30,681 --> 00:54:31,958
When we got it developed,

1034
00:54:32,096 --> 00:54:34,409
Ray was in front
of the steel in the street.

1035
00:54:34,961 --> 00:54:36,997
So, when we went
back down to dig,

1036
00:54:37,135 --> 00:54:38,585
that's where we started.

1037
00:54:39,345 --> 00:54:40,932
Both of them
were found in that area.

1038
00:54:41,070 --> 00:54:44,073
Rob was under
a high-rise rig on West Street,

1039
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:48,043
and then Ray was
underneath the crosswalk.

1040
00:54:49,251 --> 00:54:52,012
I ask Rich,
a firefighter and photographer

1041
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:54,291
who was in the right spot
at the right time,

1042
00:54:54,429 --> 00:54:56,362
to look at our 32 frames.

1043
00:54:56,845 --> 00:55:00,331
What's incredible about these
to me is how close...

1044
00:55:00,469 --> 00:55:01,643
-Yeah.
-...he was.

1045
00:55:01,781 --> 00:55:03,472
And even, I mean, no--

1046
00:55:03,610 --> 00:55:06,268
you don't see any people.
It's not because
he wasn't even trying

1047
00:55:06,406 --> 00:55:08,408
- to photograph people,
it's because--
- There aren't none.

1048
00:55:08,546 --> 00:55:09,547
There are none.

1049
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:13,689
I think these are two firemen.

1050
00:55:13,827 --> 00:55:15,553
Well, that's
what I'm curious to see.

1051
00:55:15,691 --> 00:55:18,211
- He's a fireman.
- -He, you can tell him, but...

1052
00:55:18,901 --> 00:55:20,972
He doesn't look like a fireman.

1053
00:55:22,284 --> 00:55:24,528
Looks like he's wearing
a baseball cap.

1054
00:55:25,874 --> 00:55:28,463
It's so close
to capturing our person.

1055
00:55:28,842 --> 00:55:31,086
Our photographer is,
like, right over here.

1056
00:55:31,224 --> 00:55:32,639
We're right in the same area.

1057
00:55:32,777 --> 00:55:34,469
-Mm.
-Yeah, you're very close.

1058
00:55:35,539 --> 00:55:39,336
At this point, let's review
our clues. What do we know?

1059
00:55:39,474 --> 00:55:42,062
Our photographer arrives
at the World Trade Center...

1060
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,411
...between 9:03
and 9:59. By car.

1061
00:55:45,549 --> 00:55:48,586
- Driven by someone else.
- Toward disaster.

1062
00:55:48,724 --> 00:55:50,519
The antenna in frame one

1063
00:55:50,657 --> 00:55:53,695
is consistent
with an emergency
response vehicle.

1064
00:55:53,833 --> 00:55:57,354
Shadows tell us
that he takes it around 9:38,

1065
00:55:57,492 --> 00:55:59,217
at West Broadway and Worth.

1066
00:55:59,356 --> 00:56:02,393
Putting him at the Trade Center
maybe five minutes later.

1067
00:56:02,531 --> 00:56:04,464
Roughly 9:43.

1068
00:56:04,602 --> 00:56:06,673
He follows a north-south route.

1069
00:56:06,811 --> 00:56:09,987
Uses an SLR film camera
with a zoom lens.

1070
00:56:10,125 --> 00:56:12,092
Takes photos
near West and Vesey.

1071
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:14,681
Survives the collapse
of the South Tower.

1072
00:56:14,819 --> 00:56:17,926
And likely dies
when the North Tower falls.

1073
00:56:20,031 --> 00:56:22,758
Now, let's condense
and reorder our clues

1074
00:56:22,896 --> 00:56:24,933
and start looking at suspects.

1075
00:56:25,761 --> 00:56:29,903
First, no FDNY or NYPD
photographers die.

1076
00:56:30,041 --> 00:56:33,631
Though, the NYPD does lose
a videographer, Glen Pettit,

1077
00:56:33,769 --> 00:56:36,082
seen here entering
the Trade Center.

1078
00:56:38,981 --> 00:56:41,674
There are only
three serious suspects.

1079
00:56:44,331 --> 00:56:46,851
Suspect number one:
Bill Biggart.

1080
00:56:47,473 --> 00:56:50,545
One of four confirmed
rubble camera photographers.

1081
00:56:51,097 --> 00:56:52,754
By rubble camera,
I mean a camera

1082
00:56:52,892 --> 00:56:54,618
found in the wreckage
of the Trade Center

1083
00:56:54,756 --> 00:56:56,551
with photos of the attacks.

1084
00:56:56,965 --> 00:56:59,588
I first hear
about him in late 2001

1085
00:56:59,726 --> 00:57:01,452
when I buy this magazine.

1086
00:57:01,901 --> 00:57:04,973
He's the only journalist
who dies covering 9/11.

1087
00:57:05,111 --> 00:57:07,320
His body
and three of his cameras,

1088
00:57:07,458 --> 00:57:08,873
two film, one digital,

1089
00:57:09,011 --> 00:57:11,842
are found a few days later,
on West Street.

1090
00:57:12,221 --> 00:57:14,638
He approaches
the Trade Center from the north,

1091
00:57:14,776 --> 00:57:17,468
survives the collapse
of the South Tower,

1092
00:57:17,606 --> 00:57:19,643
and dies
when the North Tower falls.

1093
00:57:19,781 --> 00:57:21,990
He certainly fits our profile.

1094
00:57:22,784 --> 00:57:24,302
I reach out to his family.

1095
00:57:24,441 --> 00:57:26,477
At first, they're skeptical.

1096
00:57:26,615 --> 00:57:29,618
But when they figure out
I'm not a scam artist,
they're shocked.

1097
00:57:29,756 --> 00:57:31,482
Is our camera Bill's?

1098
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:35,348
I speak to his son and quickly
determine that it can't be.

1099
00:57:35,486 --> 00:57:36,970
None of his cameras are missing,

1100
00:57:37,108 --> 00:57:39,697
and he was never
in a car on 9/11.

1101
00:57:39,835 --> 00:57:42,769
He walked. So, he's not our guy.

1102
00:57:42,907 --> 00:57:45,289
Still, his family
offers to help.

1103
00:57:45,427 --> 00:57:48,637
They review
more than 300 photos,
many never published,

1104
00:57:48,775 --> 00:57:52,330
looking for our photographer,
who was very close to Bill.

1105
00:57:52,469 --> 00:57:55,333
So close, in fact,
they photographed
some of the same people

1106
00:57:55,472 --> 00:57:58,164
and scenes
within minutes of each other.

1107
00:57:58,302 --> 00:57:59,303
But no luck.

1108
00:57:59,441 --> 00:58:00,994
No sign of our guy.

1109
00:58:02,444 --> 00:58:05,240
There are three more
rubble camera photographers.

1110
00:58:05,378 --> 00:58:08,623
Number two is, of course,
our mystery cameraman.

1111
00:58:08,761 --> 00:58:10,832
Number three
is an unknown civilian

1112
00:58:10,970 --> 00:58:13,766
who took photos
high in one of the towers.

1113
00:58:13,904 --> 00:58:15,871
His images are singular.

1114
00:58:16,009 --> 00:58:19,288
The only view of 9/11
from above a point of impact.

1115
00:58:19,426 --> 00:58:22,568
The FBI developed them
from a disposable camera

1116
00:58:22,706 --> 00:58:24,052
found in his pocket.

1117
00:58:24,431 --> 00:58:26,537
I first learned
about this in 2003

1118
00:58:26,675 --> 00:58:29,402
when I stumbled upon
an article by Laura Sullivan,

1119
00:58:29,540 --> 00:58:31,059
then withThe Baltimore Sun.

1120
00:58:31,438 --> 00:58:35,477
For 15 years, I've tried
to get the photos from the FBI,

1121
00:58:35,615 --> 00:58:37,410
which seemingly can't find them.

1122
00:58:37,548 --> 00:58:41,276
As of production, I'm suing
the FBI in federal court.

1123
00:58:42,242 --> 00:58:46,005
Now, I've thought for years
that our mystery cameraman died.

1124
00:58:46,143 --> 00:58:48,663
What if I'm wrong?
What if he's alive?

1125
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,322
Our fourth rubble photographer
is also our second suspect:

1126
00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:54,979
Richard Smiouskas.

1127
00:58:55,117 --> 00:58:58,293
He's never spoken
publicly until now.

1128
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:01,192
On 9/11, I grabbed a duffel bag,

1129
00:59:01,330 --> 00:59:03,540
grabbed some cameras,
a couple of bricks of film.

1130
00:59:04,092 --> 00:59:06,577
And I responded
to Lower Manhattan.

1131
00:59:06,715 --> 00:59:09,787
Had my camera
on my neck, the lens,
and I start snapping away.

1132
00:59:09,925 --> 00:59:13,170
Like, just click, click, click,
click, click, click, click.

1133
00:59:13,308 --> 00:59:15,655
Couldn't focus on one thing.
There was so many
things happening.

1134
00:59:15,793 --> 00:59:17,795
And as I was going
across the plaza,

1135
00:59:17,933 --> 00:59:20,487
I photographed body parts.

1136
00:59:20,626 --> 00:59:24,733
It sounds-- As terrible
as it sounds, it was a, it was
a hand with a ring on it.

1137
00:59:24,871 --> 00:59:26,735
That was it, just a hand,
and it was gray.

1138
00:59:27,322 --> 00:59:30,670
And what turned out to be--
it was a ribcage.

1139
00:59:30,808 --> 00:59:33,362
Just-- Somebody had--
Just this part.

1140
00:59:33,500 --> 00:59:35,019
Inside, you could see the ribs.

1141
00:59:35,641 --> 00:59:39,679
And then I s-- uh,
and then a-- Strangely, a face.

1142
00:59:40,059 --> 00:59:41,923
Not the head or anything,
just a face. Like somebody

1143
00:59:42,061 --> 00:59:44,235
just carved the face off
and laid it on the ground.

1144
00:59:44,373 --> 00:59:46,755
Somebody with a little mustache.
That's what I remember.

1145
00:59:46,893 --> 00:59:48,654
Hand with the ring on it,

1146
00:59:48,792 --> 00:59:51,346
a ribcage, and a face.

1147
00:59:52,105 --> 00:59:53,866
People were jumping
out of the buildings.

1148
00:59:54,004 --> 00:59:55,626
They were hitting the atrium.

1149
00:59:55,764 --> 00:59:57,835
I, I heard crashing glass.

1150
00:59:58,491 --> 01:00:00,424
So I worked my way
across the street,

1151
01:00:00,562 --> 01:00:03,392
and I went
into the Winter Garden,
they called it?

1152
01:00:03,841 --> 01:00:06,016
I was able to commandeer
a, a security guy

1153
01:00:06,154 --> 01:00:07,500
to take me up to the roof.

1154
01:00:07,638 --> 01:00:09,847
I got up there,
and I started photographing

1155
01:00:09,985 --> 01:00:12,022
people that were in the windows.

1156
01:00:13,092 --> 01:00:16,405
As the smoke cleared,
there had to be 30, 40 faces.

1157
01:00:16,543 --> 01:00:18,649
And then they would
get covered in smoke.

1158
01:00:18,787 --> 01:00:21,445
And then the smoke
would blow away
and you'd see the faces again.

1159
01:00:21,583 --> 01:00:24,897
And I said, "That's enough."
I went back downstairs,
went across the street,

1160
01:00:25,035 --> 01:00:27,416
and I wound up
in World Trade Center 6.

1161
01:00:27,554 --> 01:00:29,556
And I heard an explosion.

1162
01:00:29,695 --> 01:00:32,007
And somebody had jumped,
and they fell between the,

1163
01:00:32,145 --> 01:00:34,423
the North Tower
and World Trade Center 6.

1164
01:00:34,561 --> 01:00:36,978
So, I had the glass window,
and I put my camera to the glass

1165
01:00:37,116 --> 01:00:39,981
and I photographed
the, uh, the person.

1166
01:00:40,119 --> 01:00:42,259
And then...

1167
01:00:42,397 --> 01:00:46,228
...what I know now is
the building started collapsing.

1168
01:00:48,092 --> 01:00:49,715
The ground was shaking,

1169
01:00:50,405 --> 01:00:53,339
and I fell to the floor,
my camera bag dropped.

1170
01:00:53,477 --> 01:00:56,342
I remember seeing some lenses
and film rolling across.

1171
01:00:57,377 --> 01:00:59,897
And I rolled against the wall
to protect myself.

1172
01:01:01,105 --> 01:01:03,038
Up until
the, the first collapse,

1173
01:01:03,176 --> 01:01:06,559
I had photographed maybe
ten or 12 r-- rolls of film,

1174
01:01:06,697 --> 01:01:07,974
about a dozen rolls.

1175
01:01:08,354 --> 01:01:10,563
As I was taking them
out of the camera,

1176
01:01:10,701 --> 01:01:12,185
I was putting them
in my duffel bag.

1177
01:01:12,634 --> 01:01:14,740
In retrospect, I should
have put them in my pocket.

1178
01:01:14,878 --> 01:01:15,775
I would have had them.

1179
01:01:16,362 --> 01:01:18,191
There's only one roll
of film that survived,

1180
01:01:18,329 --> 01:01:20,366
was in the camera
that they found in the rubble.

1181
01:01:20,918 --> 01:01:22,920
When you heard
that they found your camera,

1182
01:01:23,058 --> 01:01:24,404
what went through your head?

1183
01:01:25,474 --> 01:01:28,201
I said, "Oh, oh, good. I--
They saved some of my images."

1184
01:01:28,339 --> 01:01:30,583
'Cause that's the first thing
I asked, "Was it intact?

1185
01:01:30,721 --> 01:01:31,964
Was the film destroyed?"

1186
01:01:32,481 --> 01:01:34,552
And I was, like,
"Oh, they saved it."
I go, "Oh, great."

1187
01:01:34,691 --> 01:01:37,590
At least I have something
to prove I was there.

1188
01:01:38,177 --> 01:01:40,075
'Cause I had nothing else
to prove I was there.

1189
01:01:40,938 --> 01:01:44,666
Rich's camera is now
in the New York City
Fire Museum.

1190
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,426
They said
it's in a little glass case,

1191
01:01:46,564 --> 01:01:48,083
and I said,
"Let's, let's go check it out."

1192
01:01:48,221 --> 01:01:49,740
And then I mentioned it
to my wife. I says,

1193
01:01:49,878 --> 01:01:51,777
I says, "You know,
everybody in here

1194
01:01:51,915 --> 01:01:53,882
is, uh...

1195
01:01:54,020 --> 01:01:56,057
They're not,
they're not alive."

1196
01:01:56,195 --> 01:01:59,060
You know, old chiefs
and famous firefighters,

1197
01:01:59,198 --> 01:02:02,097
famous Dalmatians,
you know?

1198
01:02:02,235 --> 01:02:04,237
But, as I'm looking around,
I says, "I'm the only one that--

1199
01:02:04,375 --> 01:02:07,102
in this museum
that's still alive."

1200
01:02:08,138 --> 01:02:11,106
Do you find it painful
that the rest of your film
wasn't recovered?

1201
01:02:11,244 --> 01:02:13,419
Oh, yes. Yes.
I wish everything was found.

1202
01:02:13,868 --> 01:02:16,387
It would've shown
a lot more than the--
that last roll I took.

1203
01:02:16,525 --> 01:02:18,769
Three of Rich's photos

1204
01:02:18,907 --> 01:02:20,426
are particularly striking.

1205
01:02:20,564 --> 01:02:22,152
He took this on top

1206
01:02:22,290 --> 01:02:24,741
of the north bridge,
facing south.

1207
01:02:24,879 --> 01:02:26,259
This is the Danger Block:

1208
01:02:26,397 --> 01:02:28,572
West Street,
between Liberty and Vesey.

1209
01:02:28,710 --> 01:02:30,781
There's the Marriott.

1210
01:02:30,919 --> 01:02:33,888
Rich also took this
on top of the Vesey bridge.

1211
01:02:34,026 --> 01:02:36,511
It introduces
a new key landmark:

1212
01:02:36,649 --> 01:02:38,306
the North Tower portico.

1213
01:02:38,444 --> 01:02:40,515
And finally, picture three,

1214
01:02:40,653 --> 01:02:42,931
taken on the roof
of the World Financial Center,

1215
01:02:43,069 --> 01:02:44,243
across West Street.

1216
01:02:46,003 --> 01:02:47,591
You were the only person
who got up on the roof

1217
01:02:47,729 --> 01:02:49,041
across the street with a camera,

1218
01:02:49,179 --> 01:02:51,215
and you had a view,
not only into history,

1219
01:02:51,353 --> 01:02:53,562
but into what people
were going through

1220
01:02:53,700 --> 01:02:55,806
that nobody else saw.

1221
01:02:55,944 --> 01:02:57,774
That's only in your memory now,

1222
01:02:57,912 --> 01:02:59,983
because we don't
have those photos.

1223
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:02,157
Are you an artist?

1224
01:03:02,848 --> 01:03:03,952
An artist?

1225
01:03:04,090 --> 01:03:05,471
We brought a sketch pad,

1226
01:03:05,609 --> 01:03:08,577
and I was wondering
if you would be willing

1227
01:03:08,715 --> 01:03:11,788
to try to put to paper

1228
01:03:11,926 --> 01:03:14,618
one or two of the photos
that were lost.

1229
01:03:15,032 --> 01:03:16,482
Oh, I don't know how good
I could be with that.

1230
01:03:16,620 --> 01:03:18,587
I'm mostly like
a stick figure guy.

1231
01:03:26,112 --> 01:03:28,080
There was one fellow
standing in the building.

1232
01:03:28,528 --> 01:03:31,290
His arms were outstretched
to the sides,

1233
01:03:31,808 --> 01:03:33,740
and, uh...

1234
01:03:33,879 --> 01:03:36,605
...he was, he was like this.

1235
01:03:37,399 --> 01:03:39,367
Obviously,
it's not in perspective.

1236
01:03:40,057 --> 01:03:43,716
And there were just
fa-- faces around him,

1237
01:03:44,268 --> 01:03:47,099
between his legs here.
Just, you-- just faces and...

1238
01:03:49,549 --> 01:03:52,345
I don't know if--
This is kind of bizarre
for me, doing this.

1239
01:03:52,483 --> 01:03:55,970
Th-- there just had to be
30 people, just faces.

1240
01:03:59,352 --> 01:04:01,113
Some of them were grip--
They were--

1241
01:04:01,251 --> 01:04:02,839
Like, the hands were like this.

1242
01:04:03,391 --> 01:04:05,358
They were holding on.
I remember that.

1243
01:04:13,366 --> 01:04:15,852
Should I put eyeballs in here?
I don't know if I should,
I should do.

1244
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:18,647
To make them look like people,
you know?

1245
01:04:20,097 --> 01:04:21,202
Like...

1246
01:04:22,375 --> 01:04:24,343
That's basically
what I photographed.

1247
01:04:25,585 --> 01:04:28,830
It's, uh... There was
a fellow through my lens.

1248
01:04:28,968 --> 01:04:32,420
I saw him in the window,
and he was holding on across,
like this,

1249
01:04:33,110 --> 01:04:35,009
and there's
all these faces around him.

1250
01:04:35,423 --> 01:04:39,289
He was spread out, and then he,
he was probably nudged out.

1251
01:04:39,841 --> 01:04:42,706
I'm sure there were a lot
of people behind these people.

1252
01:04:43,569 --> 01:04:47,953
You know, they were probably
back there somewhere,
maybe suffocating and, and...

1253
01:04:48,091 --> 01:04:51,025
But I would imagine there was
more trying to get air.

1254
01:04:51,542 --> 01:04:53,510
- But you could see their faces?
- Yeah, you could

1255
01:04:53,648 --> 01:04:57,100
definitely see--
you see the faces,
definitely. You know?

1256
01:04:57,859 --> 01:04:58,964
Yes.

1257
01:04:59,102 --> 01:05:00,931
Still, that's one of,

1258
01:05:01,069 --> 01:05:05,591
that's one of the major things
that I still remember,
that image.

1259
01:05:07,973 --> 01:05:11,114
Rich's story and drawing
are haunting.

1260
01:05:11,252 --> 01:05:12,770
But they also tell us

1261
01:05:12,909 --> 01:05:15,704
that he can't be
our mystery photographer.

1262
01:05:16,913 --> 01:05:19,398
Now, I have
a confession to make.

1263
01:05:19,536 --> 01:05:21,365
I've known the name
of our photographer

1264
01:05:21,503 --> 01:05:23,954
from the beginning,
the entire time.

1265
01:05:25,576 --> 01:05:28,338
Suspect number three:
Bobby Crawford.

1266
01:05:28,890 --> 01:05:31,099
This is what my source,
John Calderone,

1267
01:05:31,237 --> 01:05:33,067
tells me in 2021.

1268
01:05:51,637 --> 01:05:54,916
So I tracked down Stephen King,
Crawford's boss.

1269
01:05:55,606 --> 01:05:59,024
-Did he have
a camera with him on 9/11?
-Yes.

1270
01:05:59,748 --> 01:06:02,406
Crawford was known
to carry an SLR film camera...

1271
01:06:02,544 --> 01:06:04,719
...survived the collapse
of the South Tower

1272
01:06:04,857 --> 01:06:06,790
and died
when the North Tower fell.

1273
01:06:06,928 --> 01:06:09,655
An immediate yes
to half our criteria.

1274
01:06:09,793 --> 01:06:11,726
But do we even need
the clue matrix?

1275
01:06:11,864 --> 01:06:14,108
The camera was found
near Crawford's body,

1276
01:06:14,246 --> 01:06:16,110
which more or less
solves this, right?

1277
01:06:16,524 --> 01:06:18,181
Still, I need to be sure.

1278
01:06:18,871 --> 01:06:22,633
I saw the explosion
from my office window.

1279
01:06:23,151 --> 01:06:25,429
I turned right away
to Bobby Crawford

1280
01:06:25,567 --> 01:06:28,743
and I said, "Bobby, get the car.
We're going in."

1281
01:06:29,606 --> 01:06:33,610
Did Bobby take any photos
that day while in the car?

1282
01:06:34,162 --> 01:06:35,405
No. He was driving.

1283
01:06:35,543 --> 01:06:37,510
And it was just the two of you?

1284
01:06:37,648 --> 01:06:38,580
Yes.

1285
01:06:39,029 --> 01:06:40,479
We first pulled in there

1286
01:06:40,617 --> 01:06:44,724
eight minutes
from when I saw it in my window.

1287
01:06:45,139 --> 01:06:47,865
That was before the second plane
hit that you arrived?

1288
01:06:48,004 --> 01:06:51,697
Oh, yeah. I was in there
well before
the second plane hit.

1289
01:06:51,835 --> 01:06:52,939
That's a definite.

1290
01:06:53,802 --> 01:06:57,841
At one point, I'm going up
to the third or fourth floor,

1291
01:06:57,979 --> 01:06:59,670
and I lost my balance.

1292
01:07:00,430 --> 01:07:03,674
I'm falling backwards,
and I put out my left foot

1293
01:07:03,812 --> 01:07:05,883
and something snaps.

1294
01:07:06,022 --> 01:07:08,472
I was in excruciating pain.

1295
01:07:09,163 --> 01:07:14,099
And I said,
"Bobby, I gotta go downstairs.
I, I can't climb."

1296
01:07:14,616 --> 01:07:16,860
And he said, "Okay, Chief.

1297
01:07:16,998 --> 01:07:18,965
I'm just gonna
check out this floor quick,

1298
01:07:19,104 --> 01:07:20,864
and I'll be down
in a couple of minutes."

1299
01:07:21,002 --> 01:07:22,486
So I kinda thought he might

1300
01:07:22,624 --> 01:07:24,419
go up another flight
or something.

1301
01:07:24,557 --> 01:07:26,904
I never envisioned him
going much higher.

1302
01:07:27,043 --> 01:07:29,804
Did he get to the 10th floor?
The 30th floor?

1303
01:07:29,942 --> 01:07:31,668
I mean, we knew
nothing after that.

1304
01:07:31,806 --> 01:07:34,188
Nobody was able
to ever contact him.

1305
01:07:34,774 --> 01:07:38,433
I email his son, Mark.
This is what he tells me.

1306
01:07:38,571 --> 01:07:40,918
That his dad's body
is found in the North Tower,

1307
01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:44,336
in a stairwell,
between floors ten and 15.

1308
01:07:44,957 --> 01:07:46,752
Remember, our final photos

1309
01:07:46,890 --> 01:07:48,685
are taken in front
of the North Tower

1310
01:07:48,823 --> 01:07:51,067
less than ten minutes
before it falls.

1311
01:07:51,860 --> 01:07:54,070
Is it possible
that Crawford takes them,

1312
01:07:54,208 --> 01:07:55,623
bolts back into the tower,

1313
01:07:55,761 --> 01:07:58,177
and runs up ten to 15
flights of stairs?

1314
01:07:58,315 --> 01:07:59,972
In less than ten minutes?

1315
01:08:00,421 --> 01:08:02,181
It's extremely unlikely.

1316
01:08:02,802 --> 01:08:05,150
I was asking you
about Bobby's camera

1317
01:08:05,288 --> 01:08:08,498
'cause I was trying to figure
if he could be the photographer.

1318
01:08:08,636 --> 01:08:10,396
No, no. He's not
the photographer.

1319
01:08:10,534 --> 01:08:12,088
I know he's not
the photographer.

1320
01:08:12,226 --> 01:08:13,365
Oh, there's no way on Earth.

1321
01:08:13,503 --> 01:08:15,091
Trust me.

1322
01:08:15,229 --> 01:08:17,817
At this point,
I'm extremely confused.

1323
01:08:17,955 --> 01:08:20,993
So few people had
an SLR film camera.

1324
01:08:21,131 --> 01:08:23,651
And survived the collapse
of the South Tower.

1325
01:08:23,789 --> 01:08:26,240
And died
when the North Tower fell.

1326
01:08:26,378 --> 01:08:28,656
And our camera
was found near his body?

1327
01:08:28,794 --> 01:08:31,245
How is Crawford not our guy?

1328
01:08:31,383 --> 01:08:33,316
I've exhausted all suspects.

1329
01:08:33,454 --> 01:08:35,180
Every rubble camera
photographer,

1330
01:08:35,318 --> 01:08:37,458
every journalist. Everyone.

1331
01:08:37,596 --> 01:08:41,634
But someone had a camera on 9/11
and took our 32 frames.

1332
01:08:42,152 --> 01:08:43,636
So, back to zero.

1333
01:08:43,774 --> 01:08:45,949
At this point,
there's only one thing to do.

1334
01:08:46,363 --> 01:08:48,814
- Something exhilarating.
- Something glamorous.

1335
01:08:48,952 --> 01:08:51,023
Something cinematic.

1336
01:08:51,161 --> 01:08:52,818
Make a spreadsheet.

1337
01:08:52,956 --> 01:08:55,372
If our mystery cameraman
is not a journalist,

1338
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:57,512
he's likely a first responder.

1339
01:08:57,650 --> 01:09:00,239
So, we list everyone
who died on 9/11.

1340
01:09:00,377 --> 01:09:03,208
Then we comb
through public records
and news accounts,

1341
01:09:03,346 --> 01:09:05,900
ruling out suspects, one by one.

1342
01:09:06,038 --> 01:09:07,867
At one point, I get excited.

1343
01:09:08,005 --> 01:09:10,456
I read about a man
named Joe Lovero,

1344
01:09:10,594 --> 01:09:12,700
a fire dispatcher
from Jersey City

1345
01:09:12,838 --> 01:09:15,979
who responded on 9/11
as a volunteer.

1346
01:09:16,117 --> 01:09:18,499
One of his hobbies? Photography.

1347
01:09:18,637 --> 01:09:19,914
But according to news reports,

1348
01:09:20,052 --> 01:09:22,261
he died
when the South Tower fell.

1349
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:23,883
So it can't be him.

1350
01:09:24,919 --> 01:09:27,611
I return to the photos,
the people in them.

1351
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:31,097
The most important is Suit Man,
the best witness.

1352
01:09:31,236 --> 01:09:32,651
We need to find him.

1353
01:09:33,238 --> 01:09:36,033
And we do. Amazingly, we do.

1354
01:09:36,172 --> 01:09:38,243
I write him a letter.
I email him.

1355
01:09:38,381 --> 01:09:40,969
I call him. He never responds.

1356
01:09:46,354 --> 01:09:48,460
So we're on the way
to the home of Suit Man.

1357
01:09:48,598 --> 01:09:50,876
We ID'd him. He was a civilian
in the North Tower

1358
01:09:51,014 --> 01:09:54,293
who got out
right before it fell.

1359
01:09:55,984 --> 01:09:59,367
I hate door knocking,
but he hasn't responded,

1360
01:09:59,505 --> 01:10:02,370
so I'm gonna try
to talk to him in person

1361
01:10:02,508 --> 01:10:04,683
and ask him
if we can do an interview,

1362
01:10:04,821 --> 01:10:07,548
or if he'll at least
look at the photo and see.

1363
01:10:14,934 --> 01:10:16,936
What do you think
our chances are?

1364
01:10:17,489 --> 01:10:23,564
I say, given how we haven't
heard back from him at all,

1365
01:10:24,392 --> 01:10:27,671
it seems like signs point to no.

1366
01:10:34,609 --> 01:10:38,268
It seems like Jon
is talking to somebody about it

1367
01:10:38,820 --> 01:10:41,858
because it's been a few minutes,
and he hasn't come back out yet.

1368
01:10:46,552 --> 01:10:47,760
I don't know.

1369
01:10:54,111 --> 01:10:55,354
There he is.

1370
01:10:56,113 --> 01:10:57,253
All right.

1371
01:10:58,012 --> 01:10:59,082
Let me think.

1372
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,056
He called the police.
We gotta go.

1373
01:11:08,194 --> 01:11:09,092
Go.

1374
01:11:09,644 --> 01:11:11,128
I'm just kidding.
He didn't call the police.

1375
01:11:11,267 --> 01:11:12,613
- Are you still filming?
- Oh, come on.

1376
01:11:12,751 --> 01:11:13,717
Sure, I am.

1377
01:11:13,855 --> 01:11:15,271
I-- No. Yeah, totally kidding.

1378
01:11:15,409 --> 01:11:16,962
Uh, super friendly guy.

1379
01:11:17,100 --> 01:11:19,413
Uh...

1380
01:11:19,551 --> 01:11:21,104
Uh, very, very nice man.

1381
01:11:21,242 --> 01:11:24,797
Um, I met him. I, I recognize
him from the photo.

1382
01:11:24,935 --> 01:11:27,386
Obviously, he's older.
But, um, he was very friendly,

1383
01:11:27,524 --> 01:11:29,664
and we have an interview
on Wednesday at 4:30 p.m.

1384
01:11:29,802 --> 01:11:30,907
Wow.

1385
01:11:33,703 --> 01:11:35,601
My name is Jitendra Mavadia.

1386
01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:39,640
Jitendra was a contractor
for the Port Authority.

1387
01:11:39,778 --> 01:11:42,539
He oversaw World Trade Center
security systems.

1388
01:11:42,677 --> 01:11:48,442
At 8:30 a.m. on 9/11,
he's at the top of
the South Tower, floor 107.

1389
01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:52,653
He leaves just in time
and makes his way
to the North Tower,

1390
01:11:52,791 --> 01:11:54,896
which is immediately
hit by a plane.

1391
01:11:55,034 --> 01:11:58,797
I was trapped in my office
because outside in the corridor,

1392
01:11:58,935 --> 01:12:02,318
everything was
totally dark, total dusty,

1393
01:12:02,456 --> 01:12:07,461
too much gasoline smell,
and debris were
blocking the doors.

1394
01:12:08,151 --> 01:12:11,499
At that time, I left a message
on my home phone

1395
01:12:12,155 --> 01:12:15,952
that... "Looks like
I'm not gonna make it.

1396
01:12:16,918 --> 01:12:20,439
And let me take care
of the people who are here

1397
01:12:20,577 --> 01:12:22,510
and see what I can do."

1398
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:25,444
Finally, firefighters reach him.

1399
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:28,482
They clear debris
and open the door.

1400
01:12:28,620 --> 01:12:30,035
Jitendra is free.

1401
01:12:30,656 --> 01:12:32,727
Somewhere above him
in the North Tower...

1402
01:12:32,865 --> 01:12:35,212
...is firefighter
Lawrence Virgilio.

1403
01:12:35,351 --> 01:12:37,249
Larry has two college degrees.

1404
01:12:37,387 --> 01:12:40,770
He's a winemaker,
a scuba diver, a rock climber.

1405
01:12:40,908 --> 01:12:42,703
He trained in classical ballet

1406
01:12:42,841 --> 01:12:45,015
and performed
in community theater.

1407
01:12:45,464 --> 01:12:46,879
With 38 minutes to live,

1408
01:12:47,017 --> 01:12:48,950
he calls his partner
of six years,

1409
01:12:49,088 --> 01:12:51,988
Abigail Francis,
and leaves a voicemail.

1410
01:12:52,126 --> 01:12:54,646
Shared here, publicly,
for the first time.

1411
01:12:55,094 --> 01:12:57,269
It's an intimate ear
in the North Tower.

1412
01:12:57,407 --> 01:12:59,720
What people like Jitendra
and Larry hear

1413
01:12:59,858 --> 01:13:02,585
as they choose to stay,
to save people.

1414
01:13:22,639 --> 01:13:24,848
On Valentine's Day 1997,

1415
01:13:24,986 --> 01:13:27,057
Larry gave this to Abigail.

1416
01:13:27,575 --> 01:13:29,612
An EKG.

1417
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:33,788
Dear Abigail,
I didn't get you a card
for Valentine's Day.

1418
01:13:33,926 --> 01:13:37,413
Here's my heart instead.
Love, Larry.

1419
01:13:41,347 --> 01:13:44,420
All of a sudden,
the whole entire system
went down.

1420
01:13:44,937 --> 01:13:48,389
So there's no electric power,
there's nothing there,
so nothing works.

1421
01:13:49,286 --> 01:13:52,186
Jitendra descends
a darkened stairwell

1422
01:13:52,324 --> 01:13:54,395
and enters a desolate lobby.

1423
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:58,295
There was nothing there.
The dust, all over the place.

1424
01:13:58,434 --> 01:14:00,159
The window glasses were broken.

1425
01:14:00,297 --> 01:14:02,403
The revolving doors
were not functioning properly,

1426
01:14:02,541 --> 01:14:03,991
or some of them are out.

1427
01:14:04,129 --> 01:14:06,442
- Was anybody in the lobby?
- Maybe a couple of ladies

1428
01:14:06,580 --> 01:14:08,789
and a couple of men.

1429
01:14:08,927 --> 01:14:11,136
That's it.

1430
01:14:11,274 --> 01:14:14,208
And when I started walking out.
At that time, the tower fell.

1431
01:14:15,347 --> 01:14:21,077
And then a huge cloud of dust
roaring towards me.

1432
01:14:21,215 --> 01:14:23,700
You see, up in the sky,
there's no sun.

1433
01:14:23,838 --> 01:14:26,047
All dark, all black.

1434
01:14:26,910 --> 01:14:29,982
But then I see
a firetruck parked right there,

1435
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:33,365
and I went under the firetruck
just to shelter myself,

1436
01:14:33,503 --> 01:14:36,437
that if something fall on me.
But that didn't help

1437
01:14:36,575 --> 01:14:39,095
because there was
no oxygen in there.

1438
01:14:40,821 --> 01:14:42,201
For some reason...

1439
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:45,446
...one firefighter came in

1440
01:14:46,205 --> 01:14:49,381
under the truck
and shared his mask with me.

1441
01:14:50,382 --> 01:14:52,867
For a couple of seconds
or maybe few times,

1442
01:14:53,005 --> 01:14:54,628
maybe one or two times.

1443
01:14:54,766 --> 01:14:57,251
But then, by the time
the cloud settled down,

1444
01:14:57,389 --> 01:14:59,771
I look around,
he's not there anymore.

1445
01:15:00,910 --> 01:15:02,981
Looks like
he just came to save me.

1446
01:15:03,568 --> 01:15:06,018
Then I came out of there.

1447
01:15:06,156 --> 01:15:08,055
I see two young guys like you.

1448
01:15:08,504 --> 01:15:10,782
They had a skateboard with them.

1449
01:15:11,886 --> 01:15:15,269
They say, "How can I help you,
sir? Can, can we do
anything for you?"

1450
01:15:15,407 --> 01:15:18,306
So they put me on a skateboard.
I say, "I don't know
how to skate."

1451
01:15:19,169 --> 01:15:22,138
Both of them on each side,
they hold my hand, and they...

1452
01:15:23,346 --> 01:15:26,004
...take me far away,
to their home.

1453
01:15:26,625 --> 01:15:29,248
What did their kindness
mean to you in that moment?

1454
01:15:29,835 --> 01:15:30,698
Unbelievable.

1455
01:15:31,423 --> 01:15:34,426
Unbelievable.
That people don't know people,

1456
01:15:34,978 --> 01:15:36,808
but the time of crisis...

1457
01:15:37,809 --> 01:15:38,879
...we all are one.

1458
01:15:39,017 --> 01:15:40,501
We all are human being.

1459
01:15:40,639 --> 01:15:42,814
We are there to help each other.

1460
01:15:44,885 --> 01:15:46,576
That means a lot to me.

1461
01:15:48,198 --> 01:15:50,097
Jitendra makes his way home.

1462
01:15:50,235 --> 01:15:52,996
By ferry or bus,
he doesn't remember.

1463
01:15:53,997 --> 01:15:56,034
My wife was there before me,

1464
01:15:56,931 --> 01:15:59,520
and she was so happy to see me.

1465
01:16:03,455 --> 01:16:06,838
I don't want to get debris
or anything inside the house.

1466
01:16:07,770 --> 01:16:10,773
So, with the suit,
I took a shower.

1467
01:16:12,706 --> 01:16:16,537
And then take the suit out,
put in a laundry machine,
then came up.

1468
01:16:17,193 --> 01:16:21,093
And I turned on the TV,
and then I broke down.

1469
01:16:21,542 --> 01:16:22,957
I lost all my courage.

1470
01:16:23,820 --> 01:16:26,858
That, what is happening,
and why did it happen?

1471
01:16:31,863 --> 01:16:34,486
This must be

1472
01:16:35,073 --> 01:16:38,524
after the South Tower fell,
while I'm walking out,

1473
01:16:39,387 --> 01:16:42,425
because my clothes
are not that dirty. It is clean.

1474
01:16:43,081 --> 01:16:44,841
So, this photo of you,

1475
01:16:44,979 --> 01:16:46,636
they found the camera
in the rubble.

1476
01:16:47,257 --> 01:16:50,122
We think it was
a first responder
who didn't survive.

1477
01:16:51,745 --> 01:16:53,091
Unbelievable.

1478
01:16:55,231 --> 01:16:57,302
Do you remember
this photo being taken?

1479
01:16:57,854 --> 01:16:59,407
No. No idea.

1480
01:17:02,894 --> 01:17:04,412
So, my work continues.

1481
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:06,967
I'm running out
of ideas and time.

1482
01:17:07,105 --> 01:17:10,971
It could take years
to manually rule out
every first responder.

1483
01:17:11,109 --> 01:17:14,250
And, regardless,
no one seems to fit the profile.

1484
01:17:14,733 --> 01:17:17,494
Which is where this guy
comes in: Mike Coppola.

1485
01:17:17,633 --> 01:17:21,257
The volunteer firefighter
and EMT who made it
to West and Vesey

1486
01:17:21,395 --> 01:17:24,087
before the North Tower
fell with a camera.

1487
01:17:26,918 --> 01:17:27,746
Oh, shit.

1488
01:17:30,887 --> 01:17:32,095
That's a new problem.

1489
01:17:33,165 --> 01:17:34,132
Fuck.

1490
01:17:34,822 --> 01:17:37,066
I might have the key in the car.
If not, my house is, like--

1491
01:17:37,204 --> 01:17:39,378
that's, like,
like, ten blocks away.

1492
01:17:39,516 --> 01:17:41,346
You can take a ride with me
if you want. It'd be easier.

1493
01:17:41,484 --> 01:17:44,073
You'd think
I'd be more organized,
given my background.

1494
01:17:44,211 --> 01:17:47,317
Where the fuck? Yeah. Fuck.
We gotta run to the house.
Shit. You guys can hop in.

1495
01:17:50,079 --> 01:17:52,184
- No, actually--
- All right. Stand by.

1496
01:18:00,641 --> 01:18:03,748
- Next thing you know--
- I don't, I don't know. You know.

1497
01:18:03,886 --> 01:18:05,335
I don't fucking--
Yeah, I don't know.

1498
01:18:05,473 --> 01:18:07,303
First try!

1499
01:18:08,580 --> 01:18:12,101
Oh, fuck. I had bins in here?
Shit. I just went
and bought them too.

1500
01:18:18,901 --> 01:18:22,905
I'm gonna go back this way.
I think I kept all
the Trade Center stuff in here.

1501
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:25,908
Here, here you go.

1502
01:18:27,495 --> 01:18:29,359
Let's see what we got here.

1503
01:18:31,603 --> 01:18:33,847
Anytime I see a photo like this,
at this moment,

1504
01:18:33,985 --> 01:18:35,883
I'm always looking
for a photographer.

1505
01:18:36,021 --> 01:18:38,368
- These are the day-of photos, by the way.
- -Mm.

1506
01:18:45,306 --> 01:18:48,309
Even though 9/11 was
the most documented event
in human history,

1507
01:18:48,447 --> 01:18:50,726
there were very few people
where you were.

1508
01:18:50,864 --> 01:18:53,832
Oh, yeah.
News, or buffs like us.

1509
01:18:53,970 --> 01:18:56,939
And anybody else was
getting kicked out
or running the other way.

1510
01:18:57,663 --> 01:18:59,873
The first time
I speak to Mike, by phone,

1511
01:19:00,011 --> 01:19:01,564
and I did not record it,

1512
01:19:01,702 --> 01:19:05,050
when I tell him the gist
of this film, our 32 frames,

1513
01:19:05,188 --> 01:19:08,019
my hunt for the photographer,
he stops me.

1514
01:19:08,157 --> 01:19:10,193
"I know who it is," he says.

1515
01:19:13,334 --> 01:19:15,233
But we already ruled out Lovero.

1516
01:19:15,371 --> 01:19:17,269
He died
when the South Tower fell.

1517
01:19:17,407 --> 01:19:21,032
He's literally the last person
on our new list of suspects.

1518
01:19:21,170 --> 01:19:23,241
But, okay, I'll double check.

1519
01:19:23,759 --> 01:19:26,037
Confirmation he was killed
by the South Tower

1520
01:19:26,175 --> 01:19:28,246
here, from the Associated Press,

1521
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:30,420
and here, fromThe Star-Ledger.

1522
01:19:30,973 --> 01:19:34,148
- Wait, bring that back.
- Lovero...

1523
01:19:43,675 --> 01:19:46,851
So, Lovero did go
to the Trade Center
to shoot photos,

1524
01:19:46,989 --> 01:19:49,888
and was fatally injured
when one of the towers fell.

1525
01:19:50,026 --> 01:19:51,476
But which tower?

1526
01:19:51,614 --> 01:19:54,030
Not a single source
says the North Tower.

1527
01:19:54,168 --> 01:19:55,791
And if the South Tower
killed him,

1528
01:19:55,929 --> 01:19:57,309
he's not our guy.

1529
01:19:57,447 --> 01:20:00,174
I keep digging and find this.

1530
01:20:00,312 --> 01:20:03,660
An interview with FDNY
Battalion Chief Ed Henry,

1531
01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:05,248
from 2001.

1532
01:20:10,667 --> 01:20:13,567
So I proceeded to an area
where there was a portico,

1533
01:20:13,705 --> 01:20:15,293
part of the Trade Center.

1534
01:20:15,431 --> 01:20:17,709
I got under that so I wouldn't
be hit by anything.

1535
01:20:17,847 --> 01:20:20,056
The only two people
under that were myself

1536
01:20:20,194 --> 01:20:23,059
and a dispatcher
from the Jersey City
Fire Department.

1537
01:20:36,590 --> 01:20:38,592
Within one second,
this whole portico

1538
01:20:38,730 --> 01:20:41,560
collapsed to the floor,
pinned me to the floor.

1539
01:20:41,698 --> 01:20:44,805
My face was
six inches off the floor
as rocks and rubble

1540
01:20:44,943 --> 01:20:47,187
and everything
were rolling past me.

1541
01:20:47,325 --> 01:20:49,845
Shortly thereafter, it stopped.

1542
01:20:49,983 --> 01:20:53,503
And this big cloud of dust,
where you couldn't see anything,

1543
01:20:53,641 --> 01:20:56,092
it was like a fog,
permeated the area.

1544
01:20:56,472 --> 01:21:00,096
My legs were pinned
a little bit, but not too bad.

1545
01:21:00,234 --> 01:21:01,546
I was able to get them loose,

1546
01:21:01,684 --> 01:21:03,617
and I crawled
to where I felt cold air

1547
01:21:03,755 --> 01:21:05,205
on the side of my face.

1548
01:21:05,343 --> 01:21:08,794
And I crawled
and I crawled and I crawled.

1549
01:21:09,381 --> 01:21:12,626
Finally, I got out
into the open air.

1550
01:21:12,764 --> 01:21:14,697
I saw the clear blue sky.

1551
01:21:14,835 --> 01:21:16,768
I found the dispatcher
from Jersey City.

1552
01:21:30,782 --> 01:21:31,887
...and I waved to him.

1553
01:21:32,335 --> 01:21:34,130
They put us on two backboards,

1554
01:21:34,268 --> 01:21:35,891
and they put us in an ambulance.

1555
01:21:36,029 --> 01:21:38,548
And shortly after that, we left.

1556
01:21:39,584 --> 01:21:42,311
So, Lovero was killed
by the North Tower.

1557
01:21:42,449 --> 01:21:45,279
Chief Henry doesn't name him,
but his description,

1558
01:21:45,417 --> 01:21:47,764
a Jersey City dispatcher,
on site,

1559
01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:50,457
taking photos,
killed when a tower fell,

1560
01:21:50,595 --> 01:21:53,287
fits one person: Joe Lovero.

1561
01:21:53,425 --> 01:21:54,771
This is a strong lead,

1562
01:21:54,910 --> 01:21:57,567
but I still have
a bunch of questions.

1563
01:22:03,435 --> 01:22:05,368
-Say your name,
and then spell your name.
-And spell it.

1564
01:22:05,506 --> 01:22:07,025
- Uh, Rob--
- I'll go, I'll go first.

1565
01:22:07,163 --> 01:22:08,406
- Yeah.
- You ready?

1566
01:22:08,544 --> 01:22:10,373
-Go ahead.
-I'm retired Battalion Chief

1567
01:22:10,511 --> 01:22:15,171
John Austin.
J-O-H-N A-U-S-T-I-N.

1568
01:22:16,448 --> 01:22:18,761
I'm Robert Cobb,
retired deputy chief,

1569
01:22:18,899 --> 01:22:20,418
Jersey City Fire Department.

1570
01:22:20,556 --> 01:22:22,144
C-O-B-B.

1571
01:22:24,905 --> 01:22:28,012
As the attacks begin,
Joe Lovero gets off work.

1572
01:22:28,150 --> 01:22:32,326
Meanwhile, the Port Authority
issues an urgent call
for mutual aid.

1573
01:22:32,464 --> 01:22:35,433
They wanted our MSU,
our Mask Service Unit,

1574
01:22:35,571 --> 01:22:39,023
because of the amount
of Scott bottles that they,
they could carry with them.

1575
01:22:39,161 --> 01:22:45,374
We had close to 400 bottles
full of air on this one truck.

1576
01:22:45,512 --> 01:22:48,135
When we saw how high up
that fire was, we said,

1577
01:22:48,273 --> 01:22:51,000
"These guys are gonna
need a ton of air."

1578
01:22:51,587 --> 01:22:54,624
That day, when did you
first see Joe Lovero?

1579
01:22:54,762 --> 01:22:58,766
When I arranged
to rendezvous with the MSU.

1580
01:22:58,904 --> 01:23:02,080
I came from the southwest
corner of Jersey City, uh,

1581
01:23:02,218 --> 01:23:03,875
by the Hackensack River,

1582
01:23:04,013 --> 01:23:06,533
and I was going
through downtown,

1583
01:23:06,671 --> 01:23:08,190
heading for the Holland Tunnel,

1584
01:23:08,328 --> 01:23:10,640
so I picked this intersection:

1585
01:23:10,778 --> 01:23:15,059
Newark and Jersey Avenues,
in downtown Jersey City.

1586
01:23:15,197 --> 01:23:17,751
MSU knew I was gonna
meet up with them.

1587
01:23:17,889 --> 01:23:21,134
I stopped next to them,
and Joe was already there.

1588
01:23:21,272 --> 01:23:25,793
He was waiting. And as soon as
I stopped the car by the MSU,

1589
01:23:25,931 --> 01:23:28,727
he asked me for a ride.
"Get in the back. Let's go."

1590
01:23:30,108 --> 01:23:31,627
And what did he have with him?

1591
01:23:31,765 --> 01:23:33,560
Two bags. Camera bags.

1592
01:23:33,698 --> 01:23:35,424
When Joe would show up to fires,

1593
01:23:35,562 --> 01:23:37,253
did he always have
his camera with him?

1594
01:23:37,391 --> 01:23:39,738
Yeah. I never saw him
without it.

1595
01:23:39,876 --> 01:23:41,568
I don't know.

1596
01:23:41,706 --> 01:23:44,467
What kind of cameras
did Joe typically have on him?

1597
01:23:44,605 --> 01:23:47,953
-He always seemed to have
a single-lens reflex.
-SLRs.

1598
01:23:48,092 --> 01:23:51,095
Do you remember
Joe taking any photos

1599
01:23:51,233 --> 01:23:53,235
when you were driving
to the site?

1600
01:23:53,373 --> 01:23:55,444
I was driving
and I was driving.

1601
01:23:55,582 --> 01:23:57,653
I was in excess
of the speed limit,

1602
01:23:57,791 --> 01:24:00,656
and I wasn't looking back
at what was going on.

1603
01:24:00,794 --> 01:24:02,658
How fast did you go
through the Holland Tunnel?

1604
01:24:02,796 --> 01:24:04,487
-When it's empty.
-Oh, yeah. How...

1605
01:24:04,625 --> 01:24:06,662
- When it's empty.
- ...how fast were you going?

1606
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:08,905
About 80,
85 miles an hour.

1607
01:24:09,044 --> 01:24:11,632
- Who was in front?
The MSU truck or you?
-Me.

1608
01:24:12,047 --> 01:24:14,773
- So, you were leading the charge.
- I was leading the charge.

1609
01:24:14,911 --> 01:24:16,879
How many people
were in your car,

1610
01:24:17,017 --> 01:24:18,984
and who was in each vehicle?

1611
01:24:19,123 --> 01:24:22,126
Buck Weaver was driving the MSU

1612
01:24:22,264 --> 01:24:24,473
with Captain Charlie Smith.

1613
01:24:24,611 --> 01:24:27,234
In my vehicle, I was driving.

1614
01:24:27,372 --> 01:24:31,066
I had Jerry Drennan
and I had Joe Lovero
in the back seat.

1615
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,864
So we flew through the tunnel,

1616
01:24:37,451 --> 01:24:39,557
headed down,
got to West and Vesey.

1617
01:24:40,351 --> 01:24:44,596
And how long were you there
before the South Tower fell?

1618
01:24:44,734 --> 01:24:46,874
Not long. Uh...

1619
01:24:48,255 --> 01:24:50,671
Probably less than ten minutes.

1620
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,605
It was probably like
about 9:50

1621
01:24:53,743 --> 01:24:55,193
I was there.

1622
01:24:55,331 --> 01:24:56,332
We all got out.

1623
01:24:56,781 --> 01:24:58,955
Joe Lovero grabbed
his camera and took off

1624
01:24:59,094 --> 01:25:01,372
before I could give my guys
their safety briefing

1625
01:25:01,510 --> 01:25:03,374
and tell them
where we were gonna rendezvous

1626
01:25:03,512 --> 01:25:04,892
if something went wrong.

1627
01:25:05,376 --> 01:25:07,826
And I didn't see Joe again.

1628
01:25:07,964 --> 01:25:09,794
Can you describe him to me?

1629
01:25:09,932 --> 01:25:13,349
Yeah, it was real, real easy.
He was balding slightly on top.

1630
01:25:13,487 --> 01:25:18,458
- Yeah. Like I was.
- And he was built just like you,
but shorter.

1631
01:25:19,010 --> 01:25:20,736
- So, I'm 5'8". So...
- He, he was--

1632
01:25:20,874 --> 01:25:22,358
- Yeah. He was shorter than you.
- He looked--

1633
01:25:22,496 --> 01:25:23,946
Exactly. He was 5'6".

1634
01:25:24,084 --> 01:25:26,811
A couple of pounds overweight,
just like me.

1635
01:25:27,191 --> 01:25:28,744
He, he had a little...

1636
01:25:29,193 --> 01:25:30,504
-a little...
-A little paunch.

1637
01:25:30,642 --> 01:25:32,161
...paunch going.

1638
01:25:32,920 --> 01:25:35,026
When you stopped
and you got out of the car,

1639
01:25:35,164 --> 01:25:36,993
how quickly did Joe run?

1640
01:25:37,615 --> 01:25:39,617
I couldn't have stopped him.

1641
01:25:40,445 --> 01:25:42,965
I'm shutting the car off,
he's getting out the door.

1642
01:25:43,517 --> 01:25:46,071
You know?
And then I get out the door.

1643
01:25:46,210 --> 01:25:49,247
He's already 25, 35 yards away

1644
01:25:49,385 --> 01:25:51,353
- and going.
- Towards?

1645
01:25:51,491 --> 01:25:53,286
- Towards--
- Towards the North Tower.

1646
01:25:53,424 --> 01:25:56,806
Did Joe say anything to you
when he bolted from the car?

1647
01:25:56,944 --> 01:25:58,739
Not a word.

1648
01:25:58,877 --> 01:26:00,879
Do you remember
what he was wearing?

1649
01:26:01,017 --> 01:26:01,949
No.

1650
01:26:02,674 --> 01:26:06,264
He had a blue t-shirt
and blue pants on,

1651
01:26:06,402 --> 01:26:08,163
and that, and that was,
that was it.

1652
01:26:08,301 --> 01:26:10,579
- Did he have a helmet or anything?
- No.

1653
01:26:11,131 --> 01:26:13,375
- Did he have any protective gear?
- No.

1654
01:26:13,961 --> 01:26:17,620
John starts to make his way
to the FDNY command post.

1655
01:26:18,483 --> 01:26:19,760
Never got that far.

1656
01:26:19,898 --> 01:26:22,073
I was walking
around the North Tower,

1657
01:26:22,211 --> 01:26:24,800
towards the South Tower when...

1658
01:26:26,077 --> 01:26:27,078
...a body hit.

1659
01:26:27,492 --> 01:26:29,563
And I was, like,
"What was that?"

1660
01:26:29,701 --> 01:26:31,082
And so there's a body.

1661
01:26:31,220 --> 01:26:33,153
And it was just
a, a red splotch.

1662
01:26:33,533 --> 01:26:35,362
I said, "Where's the bones?
Where's the clothes?

1663
01:26:35,500 --> 01:26:36,674
Where's the--"

1664
01:26:36,812 --> 01:26:38,883
No. Just a red mist
when they hit.

1665
01:26:39,021 --> 01:26:42,024
I looked up to make sure
I wasn't gonna get hit
with another body,

1666
01:26:42,162 --> 01:26:43,750
and the top of the South Tower

1667
01:26:43,888 --> 01:26:46,960
was already doing
that mushroom act,
you know, where...

1668
01:26:47,098 --> 01:26:49,652
We hadn't heard it yet.
The sound hadn't reached us

1669
01:26:49,790 --> 01:26:52,517
when I said,
"That's it. Run away."

1670
01:26:52,655 --> 01:26:54,347
Toward the MSU truck.

1671
01:26:54,485 --> 01:26:55,796
This is where it parked.

1672
01:26:56,211 --> 01:26:59,593
You can see it here,
as the South Tower collapses,

1673
01:27:00,111 --> 01:27:01,146
and here.

1674
01:27:01,285 --> 01:27:02,769
Butch, your radio call sign

1675
01:27:02,907 --> 01:27:04,667
-that day was 6 Alpha?
-6 Alpha, yeah.

1676
01:27:04,805 --> 01:27:06,876
-What was yours?
-Battalion 3.

1677
01:27:28,967 --> 01:27:31,246
When did you realize
that Joe was missing?

1678
01:27:31,384 --> 01:27:33,731
-As soon as we got
to the rendezvous point.
-Yeah.

1679
01:27:33,869 --> 01:27:36,458
As soon as we got to
the rendezvous point,
I'm counting heads, saying,

1680
01:27:36,596 --> 01:27:38,045
"Okay, I got
the two from the MSU.

1681
01:27:38,183 --> 01:27:41,428
I got myself and Jerry.
Where is Joe Lovero?"

1682
01:28:00,102 --> 01:28:03,208
When I finally
got back to my car, there was,

1683
01:28:03,347 --> 01:28:05,763
on the windshield,
and I thought it was a ticket.

1684
01:28:05,901 --> 01:28:08,524
I said, "Who would write me
a ticket at this thing?"

1685
01:28:08,662 --> 01:28:10,423
But in actuality,

1686
01:28:10,561 --> 01:28:14,254
it was a bill
from Windows on the World.

1687
01:28:14,944 --> 01:28:17,499
It was dated
that morning for breakfast.

1688
01:28:17,637 --> 01:28:19,639
The corner of it was burned off.

1689
01:28:20,018 --> 01:28:22,089
And I picked it up,
and I looked at it...

1690
01:28:23,436 --> 01:28:24,989
...and I said,
"No, I, I don't want

1691
01:28:25,127 --> 01:28:27,094
- a souvenir from this place."
- Yeah.

1692
01:28:27,232 --> 01:28:29,269
And I just put it
under the car in the dust

1693
01:28:29,407 --> 01:28:31,098
and I drove away.

1694
01:28:31,236 --> 01:28:33,480
When did Jersey City
first get the call

1695
01:28:33,618 --> 01:28:36,483
that Joe had been taken
to St. Vincent's?

1696
01:28:37,208 --> 01:28:39,762
It was probably
close to midnight.

1697
01:28:40,142 --> 01:28:43,663
I had heard he was alive
when they got him
to St. Vincent's,

1698
01:28:43,801 --> 01:28:45,665
and he died before
they could get him into surgery.

1699
01:28:45,803 --> 01:28:47,252
He died in the emergency room.

1700
01:28:47,805 --> 01:28:50,186
Do you have the pictures
from that, from that camera?

1701
01:28:51,222 --> 01:28:52,982
Yeah. Would you like
to see them?

1702
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:54,984
-Yeah, I would.
-Yeah, absolutely.

1703
01:29:08,688 --> 01:29:10,379
These are some great pictures.

1704
01:29:12,001 --> 01:29:14,038
I can just picture him
running up to the building

1705
01:29:14,176 --> 01:29:16,074
- and taking these pictures
-Exactly.

1706
01:29:16,212 --> 01:29:21,010
Because if you'd seen
Joe's pictures before these,

1707
01:29:21,148 --> 01:29:24,704
he always wanted to run up
right to the front
of the building,

1708
01:29:24,842 --> 01:29:28,121
the alpha side of the building,
and take a picture of it.

1709
01:29:29,605 --> 01:29:30,813
-Yeah.
-So...

1710
01:29:33,091 --> 01:29:35,922
This is West Broadway and Worth.
So it's pretty close.

1711
01:29:36,060 --> 01:29:37,993
That's where
your car would have been.

1712
01:29:38,131 --> 01:29:40,927
Uh, I was probably coming down
West Broadway to Vesey.

1713
01:29:41,065 --> 01:29:43,032
It's incredible,

1714
01:29:43,170 --> 01:29:45,725
as a photographer,
if these are Joe's photos,

1715
01:29:45,863 --> 01:29:49,418
and we, we think they are,
nobody was that close.

1716
01:29:49,556 --> 01:29:52,110
The closest person
was Bill Biggart,
who was killed.

1717
01:29:52,248 --> 01:29:54,078
-Yes.
-And he was still further back.

1718
01:29:54,216 --> 01:29:57,426
-Yeah.
-And so these
are the closest photos

1719
01:29:57,564 --> 01:30:00,360
of that moment in time,
when nobody else was there.

1720
01:30:00,498 --> 01:30:03,294
These are-- this is it.
And so people talk about, well,

1721
01:30:03,432 --> 01:30:05,676
9/11 was
the most documented moment,

1722
01:30:05,814 --> 01:30:07,678
-moment in human history...
-Oh, yeah.

1723
01:30:07,816 --> 01:30:09,749
-...ever. But--
-Not like that.

1724
01:30:09,887 --> 01:30:11,613
- Not like this.
- People were looking...

1725
01:30:11,751 --> 01:30:13,338
-...from the outside looking in.
-Yes.

1726
01:30:13,477 --> 01:30:17,170
Nobody was standing 20 feet
from the half-collapsed hotel

1727
01:30:17,308 --> 01:30:19,517
with the other tower
burning above them.

1728
01:30:20,173 --> 01:30:22,589
Everything that I know
about Joe Lovero and his camera

1729
01:30:22,727 --> 01:30:25,350
-is consistent
with these photos.
-Absolutely, yeah. I think.

1730
01:30:25,489 --> 01:30:28,906
The South Tower
falls at 9:59.

1731
01:30:29,044 --> 01:30:32,427
Lovero gets to the Trade Center
ten to 15 minutes earlier,

1732
01:30:32,565 --> 01:30:35,050
roughly 9:44-9:49...

1733
01:30:35,188 --> 01:30:36,914
...within one minute
of our estimate

1734
01:30:37,052 --> 01:30:38,709
of when
the photographer arrives.

1735
01:30:39,123 --> 01:30:41,746
He rides over
in a Jersey City Fire vehicle,

1736
01:30:41,884 --> 01:30:43,403
driven by John Austin,

1737
01:30:43,541 --> 01:30:45,992
through the Holland Tunnel,
then south.

1738
01:30:46,130 --> 01:30:49,789
Lovero uses an SLR film camera
with a zoom lens.

1739
01:30:49,927 --> 01:30:51,998
Survives the collapse
of the South Tower

1740
01:30:52,136 --> 01:30:54,069
and is killed
by the North Tower.

1741
01:30:54,621 --> 01:30:56,658
So, when you look
at those first two photos,

1742
01:30:56,796 --> 01:30:58,314
there's an antenna visible.

1743
01:31:01,456 --> 01:31:03,354
An, an antenna on what?

1744
01:31:04,079 --> 01:31:06,875
- Down here? In the corner?
- Let's see, real quick.

1745
01:31:07,013 --> 01:31:10,465
It's right here.
You see the antenna?

1746
01:31:12,052 --> 01:31:12,881
Okay.

1747
01:31:13,019 --> 01:31:15,055
Okay.
That's an antenna?

1748
01:31:15,193 --> 01:31:16,816
An automobile antenna.

1749
01:31:17,472 --> 01:31:19,715
-Ah, it's too big. Huh?
-Well, it looks like

1750
01:31:19,853 --> 01:31:21,268
it has a little ball
on the end of it, but--

1751
01:31:21,406 --> 01:31:23,236
-It wouldn't be your car though.
-No, it wouldn't,

1752
01:31:23,374 --> 01:31:25,480
because my car
didn't have that antenna.

1753
01:31:25,618 --> 01:31:29,207
My car had
one of those little,
little ones on the center

1754
01:31:29,345 --> 01:31:31,037
-of the roof in the back.
-I don't know
what the hell that is.

1755
01:31:31,175 --> 01:31:33,384
It looks like it's
down the block, but, you know...

1756
01:31:34,005 --> 01:31:36,629
Wait. Can I--
I'm sorry. Can I go back
to the antenna picture?

1757
01:31:36,767 --> 01:31:38,631
- Yeah.
- So, you're saying that

1758
01:31:38,769 --> 01:31:41,081
that's not consistent
with your car?

1759
01:31:41,599 --> 01:31:43,290
-No, because...
-No. No.

1760
01:31:43,428 --> 01:31:46,017
...it did have
a, a, a mast antenna on it,

1761
01:31:46,155 --> 01:31:49,089
but it was on the right fender,
on the right side.

1762
01:31:51,471 --> 01:31:55,095
I apologize. Uh, so,
describe the antenna,
and tell me where it was.

1763
01:31:55,233 --> 01:31:58,651
Just forward of the windshield,
on the right front fender.

1764
01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,620
Well, I think
that's consistent with this.

1765
01:32:03,103 --> 01:32:06,797
The antenna is just
outside the windshield,

1766
01:32:06,935 --> 01:32:09,869
on the right side
of the vehicle, on the fender.

1767
01:32:10,490 --> 01:32:13,320
Okay? So, if the passenger
was sitting there,

1768
01:32:13,458 --> 01:32:15,150
the antenna would be right here.

1769
01:32:16,358 --> 01:32:20,293
So, if somebody
in the back seat
got out the window

1770
01:32:20,431 --> 01:32:23,158
-and took a picture
in that direction...
-Yeah.

1771
01:32:23,296 --> 01:32:25,712
Yeah, they could have
that antenna in there.

1772
01:32:26,368 --> 01:32:27,300
Mm.

1773
01:32:28,094 --> 01:32:29,578
-Oh. Yeah, yeah.
-Thank you. Sorry.

1774
01:32:29,716 --> 01:32:31,062
No, no. No, no.

1775
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:35,239
John, you were with Joe on 9/11.

1776
01:32:35,377 --> 01:32:37,793
He was in your car.
What is it like
for the two of you

1777
01:32:37,931 --> 01:32:40,451
to see these photos
for the first time?

1778
01:32:40,589 --> 01:32:43,040
-I got goosebumps when you took
them out. I just, I just--
-Yeah.

1779
01:32:43,178 --> 01:32:45,836
They said to me, "Joe Lovero."

1780
01:32:45,974 --> 01:32:48,597
As soon you,
you took them out and I saw
the first shot, just...

1781
01:32:48,735 --> 01:32:53,568
The first shot,
with the antenna on it,
I didn't, I didn't grasp that.

1782
01:32:53,706 --> 01:32:55,190
But when it got
to the second time,

1783
01:32:55,328 --> 01:32:57,261
we're looking directly
up at the building,

1784
01:32:57,399 --> 01:32:59,850
I remember
Joe taking those pictures.

1785
01:32:59,988 --> 01:33:02,956
I, I... not 100%, but...

1786
01:33:03,888 --> 01:33:05,165
-...you know-- Yeah.
-Ninety-plus percent.

1787
01:33:05,303 --> 01:33:06,822
There's no doubt in my mind
that that,

1788
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:08,962
that could be him. Absolutely.

1789
01:33:09,100 --> 01:33:10,964
He leaves behind--
There's kind of like a legacy

1790
01:33:11,102 --> 01:33:13,484
he leaves behind,
what he was all about.

1791
01:33:13,622 --> 01:33:16,418
-That, if they're his--
-That's a little bit
of history of Joe.

1792
01:33:16,556 --> 01:33:18,972
-That's him
sitting in the... Yeah.
-That's what it is.

1793
01:33:19,594 --> 01:33:23,943
One last thing.
Remember, Joe had two camera bags on 9/11.

1794
01:33:24,081 --> 01:33:26,773
He took one with him
as he ran toward the towers.

1795
01:33:26,911 --> 01:33:29,017
The other,
he left in John's car.

1796
01:33:29,396 --> 01:33:31,675
John returned it
to Joe's brother, Mike.

1797
01:33:32,158 --> 01:33:36,058
I was, like, "He had
a camera bag on his shoulder

1798
01:33:36,196 --> 01:33:37,335
when he left me.

1799
01:33:38,095 --> 01:33:40,062
And this one
was left in the car."

1800
01:33:41,512 --> 01:33:43,065
-Well, here's a--
-You know,
get it back to whoever.

1801
01:33:43,203 --> 01:33:44,688
Were there any pictures
on the other camera that,

1802
01:33:44,826 --> 01:33:46,517
that, that,
that you gave to his brother?

1803
01:33:46,655 --> 01:33:48,726
- I, I don't know.
- Hmm.

1804
01:33:50,348 --> 01:33:52,937
Joe Lovero is our guy. I think.

1805
01:33:53,075 --> 01:33:55,284
But I thought, for years,
it was someone else:

1806
01:33:55,422 --> 01:33:57,701
Bobby Crawford.
I made a mistake.

1807
01:33:57,839 --> 01:33:59,357
I don't wanna do that again.

1808
01:33:59,495 --> 01:34:02,326
I need physical evidence,
the camera.

1809
01:34:02,982 --> 01:34:05,985
In 2002, Jack Calderone,
my source,

1810
01:34:06,123 --> 01:34:08,125
put out a call
for images of 9/11

1811
01:34:08,263 --> 01:34:11,266
to display in a small memorial
on Staten Island.

1812
01:34:11,887 --> 01:34:13,682
A firefighter
brought him the camera,

1813
01:34:13,820 --> 01:34:15,857
the negatives, and the photos.

1814
01:34:15,995 --> 01:34:17,790
He doesn't remember who.

1815
01:34:17,928 --> 01:34:19,584
Someone from Rescue 5.

1816
01:34:19,723 --> 01:34:22,553
Probably the person
who found it at Ground Zero.

1817
01:34:22,691 --> 01:34:25,867
They seem to have
a strong connection
to Staten Island.

1818
01:34:26,005 --> 01:34:28,041
Rescue 5 is on the island.

1819
01:34:28,179 --> 01:34:31,527
They or someone they knew
recognized Robert Siragusa

1820
01:34:31,666 --> 01:34:34,530
and John Ottrando,
who live on the island.

1821
01:34:34,669 --> 01:34:36,705
The memorial is on the island.

1822
01:34:36,843 --> 01:34:38,293
Jack remembers
getting the photos

1823
01:34:38,431 --> 01:34:40,260
in a distinct
green-and-white envelope...

1824
01:34:40,398 --> 01:34:42,055
...likely from the now-closed

1825
01:34:42,193 --> 01:34:44,402
Wallich's Photo Lab,
on the island.

1826
01:34:44,817 --> 01:34:48,268
Staten Island is sometimes
called the forgotten borough.

1827
01:34:48,406 --> 01:34:51,547
Two hundred and seventy-four
islanders died on 9/11,

1828
01:34:51,686 --> 01:34:54,896
but all anyone thinks about
is the long-closed dump.

1829
01:34:55,620 --> 01:34:57,553
The island is
the heart of our story,

1830
01:34:57,692 --> 01:35:00,418
and it's where, now,
we hunt for the camera.

1831
01:35:02,110 --> 01:35:04,699
This is the National
9/11 Memorial and Museum,

1832
01:35:04,837 --> 01:35:06,252
in Manhattan.

1833
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:08,772
This is the Staten Island
9/11 Memorial.

1834
01:35:08,910 --> 01:35:12,292
And this is
the World Trade Center
Educational Tribute,

1835
01:35:12,430 --> 01:35:15,986
part of the Snug Harbor
Cultural Center,
on Staten Island.

1836
01:35:16,124 --> 01:35:18,367
It's tucked away,
hidden in trees,

1837
01:35:18,505 --> 01:35:22,199
maintained by a dedicated group
of FDNY volunteers.

1838
01:35:22,337 --> 01:35:24,822
Well, this was a mortuary,
right? When they built it,

1839
01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:28,792
they built it crooked
so the soul
could leave the building.

1840
01:35:29,689 --> 01:35:32,036
Yes, this building
used to be a morgue

1841
01:35:32,174 --> 01:35:35,246
for retired sailors,
including, strangely enough,

1842
01:35:35,384 --> 01:35:37,248
my great-grandfather, Charlie,

1843
01:35:37,386 --> 01:35:40,044
a merchant marine
who served in World War II.

1844
01:35:40,182 --> 01:35:43,772
He retired on these grounds,
died in 1964,

1845
01:35:43,910 --> 01:35:45,809
and was embalmed in this room,

1846
01:35:46,292 --> 01:35:48,881
the same room
in which some of our 32 frames

1847
01:35:49,019 --> 01:35:51,400
have been displayed
for 23 years.

1848
01:35:52,850 --> 01:35:56,267
This is where the camera
should be, in this case.

1849
01:35:56,405 --> 01:35:57,406
But it's not.

1850
01:35:57,544 --> 01:35:58,511
It's gone.

1851
01:35:58,994 --> 01:36:00,375
Jack Calderone last remembers

1852
01:36:00,513 --> 01:36:03,758
seeing it here in 2016,
when he retired.

1853
01:36:03,896 --> 01:36:08,555
The memorial
shut down during Covid
and reopened in 2022.

1854
01:36:08,693 --> 01:36:13,388
Sometime between 2016 and '22,
the camera disappeared.

1855
01:36:13,526 --> 01:36:16,771
It's unclear
if it was misplaced or stolen.

1856
01:36:16,909 --> 01:36:18,842
Everything else
is accounted for,

1857
01:36:18,980 --> 01:36:21,016
including artifacts
like this helmet

1858
01:36:21,154 --> 01:36:22,915
and this piece
of one of the planes.

1859
01:36:23,467 --> 01:36:26,953
- These are all from that camera?
- These are all from that camera.

1860
01:36:28,334 --> 01:36:34,719
Obviously, he was right
under... the North Tower.

1861
01:36:35,134 --> 01:36:37,067
Sorry. Put that there.

1862
01:36:40,795 --> 01:36:43,798
You guys looked,
to search storage here, to see
if you could find the camera?

1863
01:36:43,936 --> 01:36:47,008
Yeah, we did a thorough search.
Went through it
twice this morning,

1864
01:36:47,146 --> 01:36:48,872
dug everything out. Nothing.

1865
01:36:49,665 --> 01:36:51,598
Finding the camera
is our only hope

1866
01:36:51,736 --> 01:36:54,912
to prove that Joe Lovero
is our photographer.

1867
01:36:55,050 --> 01:36:56,362
We could check
the serial number.

1868
01:36:56,500 --> 01:36:58,813
We might even be
able to pull DNA.

1869
01:36:58,951 --> 01:37:00,366
Vital clues.

1870
01:37:01,298 --> 01:37:04,197
Back in Jersey,
Butch makes a surprise call.

1871
01:37:04,784 --> 01:37:05,992
Hey, Mike.

1872
01:37:08,098 --> 01:37:09,720
Yeah, it's Bobby Cobb.

1873
01:37:10,203 --> 01:37:11,998
Bobby Cobb. C-O-B-B.

1874
01:37:12,136 --> 01:37:14,621
Retired deputy chief
from Jersey City.

1875
01:37:15,864 --> 01:37:19,316
No, no, I'm actually
here in New Jersey
with Johnny Austin,

1876
01:37:19,454 --> 01:37:23,768
doing a, uh,
documentary on 9/11.

1877
01:37:25,218 --> 01:37:29,084
Yeah, so I'm actually
here with them right now
because they, they were--

1878
01:37:29,844 --> 01:37:30,983
Yeah.

1879
01:37:31,880 --> 01:37:32,950
Okay.

1880
01:37:33,399 --> 01:37:35,297
Okay, no, yeah, that's fine.
That's fine. Fine.

1881
01:37:35,435 --> 01:37:38,853
I just wanted to check
with you just to see. All right.

1882
01:37:42,822 --> 01:37:44,375
He just shut it down right away.

1883
01:37:44,513 --> 01:37:46,584
- Yeah.
- He said no. I said,
"You know what?

1884
01:37:46,722 --> 01:37:48,690
Leave it alone.
I don't wanna talk about it."

1885
01:37:49,173 --> 01:37:50,726
I try to reach the Loveros.

1886
01:37:50,865 --> 01:37:54,454
I write and call and email
and text. No response.

1887
01:37:54,592 --> 01:37:57,526
A family friend agrees
to contact them for us.

1888
01:37:59,597 --> 01:38:01,116
Today. 10:13 p.m.

1889
01:38:01,496 --> 01:38:03,394
"Mr. Walczak,
I have been in contact

1890
01:38:03,532 --> 01:38:05,431
with member
of Joe Lovero's family.

1891
01:38:05,569 --> 01:38:07,916
They have made it
extremely clear
that they are not interested

1892
01:38:08,054 --> 01:38:09,814
in any contact regarding Joe.

1893
01:38:09,953 --> 01:38:13,611
The FDJC will honor
the Lovero family wish
to be undisturbed.

1894
01:38:13,749 --> 01:38:16,649
Please accept this text
as our position in this matter."

1895
01:38:17,857 --> 01:38:18,685
So...

1896
01:38:22,448 --> 01:38:24,381
Uh, I mean, the family,

1897
01:38:24,519 --> 01:38:26,970
the family hasn't said
anything to me, so...

1898
01:38:27,522 --> 01:38:30,525
I mean,
I guess by not responding,
they were clear.

1899
01:38:31,181 --> 01:38:32,837
But not really, because...

1900
01:38:33,666 --> 01:38:37,083
Imagine if we came out with this
and we had these photos

1901
01:38:37,221 --> 01:38:38,705
and we didn't
contact the family.

1902
01:38:39,396 --> 01:38:41,846
Since 2001,
the story of Joe Lovero

1903
01:38:41,985 --> 01:38:46,023
has shifted from photographer
to emergency rescue hero,

1904
01:38:46,161 --> 01:38:49,337
including an unverified account
that he died while dismantling

1905
01:38:49,475 --> 01:38:52,857
turnstiles in the North Tower
to help people escape.

1906
01:38:53,272 --> 01:38:55,722
The truth is,
we know he took photos.

1907
01:38:55,860 --> 01:38:57,793
Everything else is speculation.

1908
01:38:58,933 --> 01:39:02,522
I think that we're honoring
the wishes of the photographer

1909
01:39:02,660 --> 01:39:04,248
by publishing the photos,

1910
01:39:04,939 --> 01:39:07,251
because it was important enough

1911
01:39:07,389 --> 01:39:09,840
that this was
the final act of their life.

1912
01:39:10,220 --> 01:39:12,256
That they were
a first responder,

1913
01:39:12,394 --> 01:39:14,569
and we don't know
exactly what they did,

1914
01:39:14,707 --> 01:39:17,710
but they very likely
were helping people,

1915
01:39:17,848 --> 01:39:20,782
which makes them a hero,
but they also
were a photographer,

1916
01:39:20,920 --> 01:39:23,509
and I don't think that makes
them any less of a hero.

1917
01:39:28,272 --> 01:39:32,207
I think, as far as, like,
what we do with the...

1918
01:39:33,829 --> 01:39:35,383
...with this project,

1919
01:39:35,521 --> 01:39:38,420
I mean, it's not,
it's not what I wanted.

1920
01:39:41,251 --> 01:39:43,770
I don't know.
I just had this image of...

1921
01:39:46,118 --> 01:39:50,053
...32 photos of life and,
like, a happy ending, but...

1922
01:39:51,226 --> 01:39:52,779
...it is not a happy ending.

1923
01:39:57,508 --> 01:39:59,062
When I first learn about Joe,

1924
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:01,098
I'm startled
to see his birthday.

1925
01:40:01,236 --> 01:40:03,825
September 8th. My birthday.

1926
01:40:04,619 --> 01:40:08,278
Seventy-two hours
before the attacks, I turned 13.

1927
01:40:08,416 --> 01:40:09,658
He turned 60.

1928
01:40:10,245 --> 01:40:13,352
I wanna see him alive
at that party,

1929
01:40:14,146 --> 01:40:15,699
but it's not up to me.

1930
01:40:16,493 --> 01:40:18,288
We say "never forget."

1931
01:40:18,426 --> 01:40:20,324
But who chooses
what we remember?

1932
01:40:20,462 --> 01:40:23,707
Did Joe save lives,
or did he take photos?

1933
01:40:24,087 --> 01:40:25,295
Why not both?

1934
01:40:25,812 --> 01:40:27,124
For one fateful moment,

1935
01:40:27,262 --> 01:40:29,437
at one intersection,
West and Vesey,

1936
01:40:29,575 --> 01:40:32,026
everyone and everything
fused together.

1937
01:40:32,164 --> 01:40:36,513
A swirling mass of glass
and steel and dust and debris.

1938
01:40:36,651 --> 01:40:38,894
People who lived and died.

1939
01:40:39,343 --> 01:40:41,242
The before and after.

1940
01:40:41,380 --> 01:40:45,039
The first responder,
the photographer, one.

1941
01:40:45,867 --> 01:40:49,595
A body fell from the sky
onto firefighter Danny Suhr.

1942
01:40:49,733 --> 01:40:53,840
Todd Maisel helped evacuate him
and took pictures.

1943
01:40:54,531 --> 01:40:57,879
The South Tower fell
onto firefighter Kevin Shea.

1944
01:40:58,017 --> 01:41:01,227
Todd helped save him
and took pictures.

1945
01:41:02,366 --> 01:41:04,610
If you have a choice
of taking a photo

1946
01:41:04,748 --> 01:41:06,922
or helping someone,
which are you doing?

1947
01:41:07,061 --> 01:41:08,269
I'm helping someone.

1948
01:41:08,890 --> 01:41:12,204
But photography is important,
to tell the story,

1949
01:41:12,342 --> 01:41:13,860
tell their story.

1950
01:41:14,551 --> 01:41:17,001
They couldn't tell their story.
They're dead.

1951
01:41:17,416 --> 01:41:19,625
Three hundred and forty-three
firefighters, dead.

1952
01:41:19,763 --> 01:41:22,835
Seventy-eight fi-- cops,
they're dead.

1953
01:41:22,973 --> 01:41:25,976
They couldn't tell their story.
I could tell their story.

1954
01:41:26,114 --> 01:41:29,324
In the end, I know more
about how Joe Lovero died

1955
01:41:29,462 --> 01:41:30,601
than how he lived.

1956
01:41:31,223 --> 01:41:34,398
I can show you photos
and maps and landmarks.

1957
01:41:34,536 --> 01:41:36,573
I can take you
to West and Vesey.

1958
01:41:37,194 --> 01:41:38,747
But I'll never know him.

1959
01:41:40,508 --> 01:41:42,130
I hear he was a good cook.

1960
01:41:42,751 --> 01:41:45,616
He always made
great Italian food.

1961
01:41:45,754 --> 01:41:48,412
- Yeah.
- -Do you remember one particular dish?

1962
01:41:49,241 --> 01:41:50,863
Yeah.

1963
01:41:51,519 --> 01:41:54,832
It had veal, and it had pasta,

1964
01:41:55,557 --> 01:41:57,939
and it was like
a white cream sauce on it,

1965
01:41:58,077 --> 01:42:00,459
and I can't remember
the name of it, but...

1966
01:42:00,597 --> 01:42:03,669
Oh, it was to die for.

1967
01:42:03,807 --> 01:42:06,637
There's a meme I can't license,
but you can look up.

1968
01:42:07,086 --> 01:42:09,882
A girl stands in a field,
the wind in her hair,

1969
01:42:10,020 --> 01:42:13,644
the sky blue,
the Twin Towers behind her.

1970
01:42:17,338 --> 01:42:21,687
That's true of me,
but not of people born
in the last 25 years.

1971
01:42:21,825 --> 01:42:23,896
For them, it never existed.

1972
01:42:24,483 --> 01:42:28,142
My niece is 13,
the same age I was on 9/11.

1973
01:42:28,521 --> 01:42:30,972
I show her my video
from the towers.

1974
01:42:31,110 --> 01:42:33,181
I tell her
of the world that was.

1975
01:42:33,319 --> 01:42:35,390
I pray for the world that is,

1976
01:42:35,528 --> 01:42:37,772
and the world I hope to come.

1977
01:42:38,290 --> 01:42:40,119
9/11 never ended.

1978
01:42:40,257 --> 01:42:41,879
We live it every day.

1979
01:42:42,017 --> 01:42:44,779
No one more so
than the people who were there.

1980
01:42:44,917 --> 01:42:48,231
We've now lost
more than 343 firemen

1981
01:42:48,369 --> 01:42:49,818
that died that day.

1982
01:42:49,956 --> 01:42:50,888
To the cancers.

1983
01:42:51,026 --> 01:42:52,649
We're close to 400 now.

1984
01:42:53,167 --> 01:42:55,755
We just buried
a Staten Islander this weekend.

1985
01:42:55,893 --> 01:42:59,552
Eight firemen from Jersey City
in every rank have died.

1986
01:42:59,690 --> 01:43:02,383
I have six illnesses
from 9/11, by the way.

1987
01:43:02,521 --> 01:43:06,490
Migraine headaches,
hearing loss, gastric reflux.

1988
01:43:06,628 --> 01:43:08,354
-Cancer.
-Thyroid cancer.

1989
01:43:08,492 --> 01:43:12,565
-Cancer.
-Lung scars, uh, nodules.

1990
01:43:12,703 --> 01:43:14,291
Coronary hypertension.

1991
01:43:14,429 --> 01:43:16,293
They told us the air was safe,
by the way.

1992
01:43:16,811 --> 01:43:20,194
"The air is safe, guys.
You can go in there
and do your job."

1993
01:43:20,746 --> 01:43:24,784
I have my oxygen in the car
if I need it, you know. So...

1994
01:43:26,614 --> 01:43:27,994
It's okay.

1995
01:43:28,132 --> 01:43:29,582
That's-- I have that at night.

1996
01:43:30,376 --> 01:43:33,241
You know, I, I can't complain
about having a cough.

1997
01:43:33,379 --> 01:43:35,968
You know, when s--
when so many other people
have so much worse,

1998
01:43:36,106 --> 01:43:37,625
it's like, you know...

1999
01:43:38,039 --> 01:43:40,317
To be fair,
you also have thyroid cancer.

2000
01:43:40,731 --> 01:43:42,561
You know what?
You know what the doctor said?

2001
01:43:42,699 --> 01:43:44,632
"You got the best cancer."

2002
01:43:44,770 --> 01:43:48,325
If anybody--
If you're gonna get cancer,
get thyroid cancer.

2003
01:43:48,463 --> 01:43:49,671
It's slow-growing,

2004
01:43:50,051 --> 01:43:52,295
and you could
live a long time with it.

2005
01:43:52,433 --> 01:43:53,986
When the kids were young,

2006
01:43:54,435 --> 01:43:56,195
I remember...

2007
01:43:56,333 --> 01:43:59,992
I remember sitting out
in the back, on the,
on the mound,

2008
01:44:00,130 --> 01:44:02,132
and the kids asking me
to play with them,

2009
01:44:02,270 --> 01:44:04,824
and I used to tell them that,

2010
01:44:04,962 --> 01:44:07,862
"Daddy can't run around with you
'cause he's fat
and out of shape."

2011
01:44:08,000 --> 01:44:09,726
The fact of the matter was
I couldn't run around

2012
01:44:09,864 --> 01:44:11,452
with them
'cause I couldn't breathe

2013
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:13,177
because I have three-quarters
of an inch of salt

2014
01:44:13,316 --> 01:44:14,627
in the base of both of my lungs.

2015
01:44:14,765 --> 01:44:17,147
But they didn't need
to know that at the time.

2016
01:44:17,285 --> 01:44:20,737
It was easy to say,
"Daddy's fat and out of shape.
I can't play with you."

2017
01:44:20,875 --> 01:44:24,672
You strike me like
you have a good sense of humor.

2018
01:44:24,810 --> 01:44:25,742
You have to.

2019
01:44:26,915 --> 01:44:29,504
That's a coping mechanism,
because, honestly,

2020
01:44:29,642 --> 01:44:32,921
after all the years
that I've spent in the field,

2021
01:44:33,405 --> 01:44:35,096
and all the things I've seen,

2022
01:44:35,234 --> 01:44:36,925
and the World Trade Center,

2023
01:44:37,063 --> 01:44:38,444
if you don't laugh
and you make--

2024
01:44:38,582 --> 01:44:41,275
you don't make jokes,
you go crazy.

2025
01:44:41,861 --> 01:44:44,208
There have been countless,
countless people

2026
01:44:44,347 --> 01:44:47,004
that I've worked
with over the years
that have taken their own lives,

2027
01:44:47,142 --> 01:44:49,283
because they can't deal
with the stress.

2028
01:44:49,421 --> 01:44:52,458
9/11, I don't turn the TV on.

2029
01:44:53,804 --> 01:44:57,429
I've never gone
to Manhattan since.

2030
01:44:57,567 --> 01:44:58,982
I have nightmares.

2031
01:44:59,776 --> 01:45:01,640
I've-- Just weird nightmares.

2032
01:45:01,778 --> 01:45:05,506
I had nightmares of,
of the, of the rebar.

2033
01:45:05,644 --> 01:45:07,059
People stuck on the rebar.

2034
01:45:07,197 --> 01:45:11,235
Just weird stuff, like de--
decaying bodies on rebar

2035
01:45:11,374 --> 01:45:12,582
at the World Trade Center.

2036
01:45:13,065 --> 01:45:15,999
I was suffering from ha--
from hallucinations

2037
01:45:16,137 --> 01:45:19,036
where I would see
a black bag on the floor,

2038
01:45:19,174 --> 01:45:20,624
and it looked like a body,

2039
01:45:20,762 --> 01:45:22,177
or if I was looking
at my own feet,

2040
01:45:22,316 --> 01:45:24,904
it looked like the feet
of people I recovered,

2041
01:45:25,042 --> 01:45:26,492
a person I recovered.

2042
01:45:26,630 --> 01:45:30,013
I couldn't take a shower
and close the shower curtain

2043
01:45:30,151 --> 01:45:32,153
because I felt like
I was trapped.

2044
01:45:32,705 --> 01:45:34,535
A few of my friends
and colleagues,

2045
01:45:34,673 --> 01:45:36,330
I heard that
they lost their mind

2046
01:45:36,468 --> 01:45:39,540
and they ended up
in a mental institution.

2047
01:45:40,610 --> 01:45:44,579
That kind of wake me up
that I don't want
to end up like them.

2048
01:45:45,408 --> 01:45:47,064
I have to rebuild my life again.

2049
01:45:47,202 --> 01:45:48,928
But then I started
analyzing my mind,

2050
01:45:49,066 --> 01:45:51,655
that why my mental status
is like this?

2051
01:45:52,656 --> 01:45:54,624
And I realized
it was a survivor guilt.

2052
01:45:54,762 --> 01:45:57,247
I lost this many people
on one day.

2053
01:45:57,385 --> 01:46:00,526
As a security consultant,
you're not supposed
to lose a single life.

2054
01:46:00,664 --> 01:46:03,874
But on the same day
I lost like 2600 people.

2055
01:46:04,668 --> 01:46:06,221
Other side of my mind
started thinking,

2056
01:46:06,360 --> 01:46:08,845
"What's the major cause
of death in the United States?"

2057
01:46:09,259 --> 01:46:10,191
Driving.

2058
01:46:10,778 --> 01:46:12,642
Then I started thinking,
"Let me teach driving

2059
01:46:12,780 --> 01:46:14,954
from the root level,
from 16 year old and up."

2060
01:46:15,576 --> 01:46:16,749
Teach them
safe driving technique,

2061
01:46:16,887 --> 01:46:18,130
make them defensive drivers,

2062
01:46:18,268 --> 01:46:19,718
so that they save their life

2063
01:46:19,856 --> 01:46:22,030
and they save others' life also.

2064
01:46:22,168 --> 01:46:24,792
So, each one of my 16-year-old
will be one tribute

2065
01:46:24,930 --> 01:46:27,553
to one lost life
in World Trade Center.

2066
01:46:28,899 --> 01:46:30,453
That's the reason
I started this,

2067
01:46:30,591 --> 01:46:32,386
and when I get my license,

2068
01:46:32,834 --> 01:46:36,148
I insist that my license
should be stamped on 9/11.

2069
01:46:37,391 --> 01:46:40,048
So, this driving school,
Vision Driving Schools,

2070
01:46:40,911 --> 01:46:44,570
first license was
issued on 9/11/2006.

2071
01:46:45,260 --> 01:46:47,815
Have you been back
to the site since?

2072
01:46:48,194 --> 01:46:49,092
Never.

2073
01:46:49,782 --> 01:46:52,647
I don't have that
kind of courage to do that.

2074
01:46:52,785 --> 01:46:56,651
But when I see you,
when you step in my office...

2075
01:46:57,963 --> 01:47:01,207
...and I thought to myself,
"Why this guy is chasing me?

2076
01:47:01,345 --> 01:47:02,692
How did he get my number?"

2077
01:47:02,830 --> 01:47:03,969
I would keep asking my wife also

2078
01:47:04,107 --> 01:47:05,591
that,
"How did he get my number?

2079
01:47:05,729 --> 01:47:10,803
Why? After 24 years,
who search... like that?"

2080
01:47:10,941 --> 01:47:12,633
And you had a dedication.

2081
01:47:13,668 --> 01:47:15,325
I...
I make up my mind.

2082
01:47:15,463 --> 01:47:16,982
After looking at you...

2083
01:47:17,983 --> 01:47:19,881
...I don't know
what's driving me,

2084
01:47:20,019 --> 01:47:23,367
but maybe your face,
maybe your eyes,

2085
01:47:23,506 --> 01:47:25,093
give me confidence.

2086
01:47:25,231 --> 01:47:28,511
"Let's get it over with, man.
Move on with your life."

2087
01:47:32,791 --> 01:47:34,862
After you left, I told my wife,

2088
01:47:35,000 --> 01:47:37,451
"We'll book a hotel there.
We'll go there.

2089
01:47:38,141 --> 01:47:40,039
I want to stay overnight there.

2090
01:47:40,488 --> 01:47:41,938
Let's see what I feel."

2091
01:47:44,561 --> 01:47:45,769
I will go there.

2092
01:47:52,811 --> 01:47:54,606
- How are you doing today?
- Fine, fine.

2093
01:47:54,744 --> 01:47:56,987
Jitendra,
I just wanna say

2094
01:47:57,125 --> 01:47:59,680
whatever you need today,
we're here for you.

2095
01:47:59,818 --> 01:48:01,992
So, if you guys
just want some space,

2096
01:48:02,130 --> 01:48:04,408
if you want us
to kind of step away,

2097
01:48:04,547 --> 01:48:05,927
if-- just please let us know.

2098
01:48:06,065 --> 01:48:07,722
No, no, no, no. I will--

2099
01:48:07,860 --> 01:48:09,206
We want you to be with us.

2100
01:48:09,621 --> 01:48:11,485
You are my mentor.

2101
01:48:11,623 --> 01:48:14,453
I appreciate it.

2102
01:48:14,591 --> 01:48:17,663
- You are the reason, after 24 years, I'm going there.
- -He's going on.

2103
01:48:17,801 --> 01:48:19,976
My son called me and says,
"Dad, are you okay?

2104
01:48:20,114 --> 01:48:23,220
Are you okay to go over there?"
I said, "Yeah,
I'm trying to find myself."

2105
01:48:24,912 --> 01:48:26,465
Okay.

2106
01:48:26,603 --> 01:48:28,432
...destination
on the left-hand side.

2107
01:48:28,571 --> 01:48:30,711
Do you remember
some of this from before?

2108
01:48:30,849 --> 01:48:32,713
-This is totally new.
-Yeah.

2109
01:48:32,851 --> 01:48:34,024
I didn't know that this...

2110
01:48:42,481 --> 01:48:44,656
The Twin Tower had a charm.

2111
01:48:44,794 --> 01:48:46,243
- Yeah.
- Both towers together.

2112
01:48:46,381 --> 01:48:47,900
- It was special.
- It was special.

2113
01:48:48,038 --> 01:48:49,764
The s-- the skyline
is not the same.

2114
01:48:50,385 --> 01:48:52,318
So, when we get in front,
I'm gonna show you

2115
01:48:52,456 --> 01:48:54,562
- where that photo was taken and...
- -Oh.

2116
01:48:54,700 --> 01:48:56,150
...I'll kind of orient you.

2117
01:48:57,358 --> 01:48:59,325
Yeah, this is
the intersection of West

2118
01:48:59,463 --> 01:49:02,190
- and Vesey.
- -So, this is where I walked.

2119
01:49:02,328 --> 01:49:05,228
Yeah,
this is where you walked.

2120
01:49:07,713 --> 01:49:10,509
- So, I was there.
- Yes. This is what was

2121
01:49:10,647 --> 01:49:12,615
- uh, World Trade Center 6.
- Right. Right.

2122
01:49:12,753 --> 01:49:14,340
And so you would've
been, uh, in the street,

2123
01:49:14,478 --> 01:49:15,859
like, right over here.

2124
01:49:19,622 --> 01:49:22,279
I'll take you to,
if you're okay with it,
to the pool.

2125
01:49:22,417 --> 01:49:23,315
Right.

2126
01:49:36,535 --> 01:49:39,331
- How do you feel?
- -I felt a little uneasy,

2127
01:49:39,469 --> 01:49:42,127
but now, I'm okay.

2128
01:50:06,358 --> 01:50:07,808
This is the fire truck.

2129
01:50:07,946 --> 01:50:09,326
That's where that picture is?

2130
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:22,167
How does it feel to you
to see this in person?

2131
01:50:22,305 --> 01:50:24,548
Incredible.
Incredible.

2132
01:50:24,687 --> 01:50:26,861
I didn't know
that after 24 years,

2133
01:50:27,621 --> 01:50:29,208
I'll be able to see it.

2134
01:50:30,727 --> 01:50:31,935
And I was there.

2135
01:50:35,732 --> 01:50:36,837
Unbelievable.

2136
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:40,357
But I'm so glad
I took this decision to come...

2137
01:50:42,532 --> 01:50:44,016
...to see all these things.

2138
01:50:45,984 --> 01:50:47,571
I don't know how to feel, but...

2139
01:50:48,849 --> 01:50:52,197
...I think once
we get out of here,
I'll feel much better

2140
01:50:52,335 --> 01:50:55,062
than all this last 24 years
I was suffering.

2141
01:50:57,478 --> 01:50:59,031
I see a lot of...

2142
01:51:01,309 --> 01:51:05,866
...anxiety is evaporating
from my body.

2143
01:51:06,625 --> 01:51:08,006
And I think that...

2144
01:51:09,283 --> 01:51:12,286
...if I wouldn't have seen this,
I would've been...

2145
01:51:12,424 --> 01:51:14,771
Next 25 years,
I would be same person.

2146
01:51:15,599 --> 01:51:18,982
But now that I see it,
I think I can get it over with.

2147
01:51:19,534 --> 01:51:22,952
I can even bring my friends,
somebody come visit,

2148
01:51:23,090 --> 01:51:24,919
I'll bring them here myself.

2149
01:51:26,024 --> 01:51:28,371
How does it feel that one day,
you might be--

2150
01:51:28,509 --> 01:51:31,098
your picture might be
here in the museum?

2151
01:51:31,961 --> 01:51:33,445
Wonderful. I'd be honored.

2152
01:51:34,066 --> 01:51:36,482
I will be really,
really honored to see that.

2153
01:51:39,002 --> 01:51:43,179
-Yeah.
-I feel very honored that
you invited us to come today.

2154
01:51:43,317 --> 01:51:45,871
It means a lot.
It was emotional.

2155
01:51:46,009 --> 01:51:49,426
Like I said, without you,
I wouldn't have done this.

2156
01:51:50,289 --> 01:51:52,153
You are the best of the best.

2157
01:51:52,291 --> 01:51:54,500
I feel like my own children.

2158
01:51:55,605 --> 01:51:57,296
You know what I mean? Come on.

2159
01:51:58,573 --> 01:52:00,610
Give camera to somebody else.
You come on too.

2160
01:52:00,748 --> 01:52:02,612
Come on, Purnima.

2161
01:52:04,890 --> 01:52:07,721
We're glad to be here with you.

2162
01:52:20,423 --> 01:52:22,252
There's one last thing to do.

2163
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:25,359
I've never met
Jack Calderone, my source.

2164
01:52:25,877 --> 01:52:27,844
For years,
I ask for an interview.

2165
01:52:27,982 --> 01:52:29,397
He declines.

2166
01:52:29,535 --> 01:52:31,503
Finally, right before
we leave New York,

2167
01:52:31,641 --> 01:52:33,367
he invites me to stop by.

2168
01:52:36,128 --> 01:52:39,304
- I just finished that.
- Wow.

2169
01:52:39,856 --> 01:52:41,237
Are you publishing this?

2170
01:52:41,375 --> 01:52:43,066
It's gone.
It's sold out already.

2171
01:52:43,204 --> 01:52:45,103
- Wow.
- Did 500 copies.

2172
01:52:45,586 --> 01:52:48,692
Jack joined the FDNY in 1973.

2173
01:52:48,831 --> 01:52:52,351
He's a retired firefighter
and talented photographer.

2174
01:52:52,489 --> 01:52:55,907
In fact, some of the photos
in our intro are his.

2175
01:52:56,355 --> 01:52:57,840
You remember your first camera?

2176
01:52:58,254 --> 01:52:59,807
I think I still have it.

2177
01:53:04,985 --> 01:53:07,642
Huh. This is a still camera?

2178
01:53:07,781 --> 01:53:09,161
- Yeah.
- Wow.

2179
01:53:09,575 --> 01:53:11,474
I know it's not
the Zapruder camera,

2180
01:53:11,612 --> 01:53:13,787
but it kind of gives me
the vibes of, like, that era...

2181
01:53:13,925 --> 01:53:15,892
...the Zapruder camera.

2182
01:53:16,030 --> 01:53:18,205
I ask Jack again
about our camera,

2183
01:53:18,343 --> 01:53:19,689
the mystery camera.

2184
01:53:19,827 --> 01:53:21,208
When did he last see it?

2185
01:53:21,346 --> 01:53:22,519
2016.

2186
01:53:22,657 --> 01:53:23,762
Where are the negatives?

2187
01:53:23,900 --> 01:53:24,970
He can't find them.

2188
01:53:25,108 --> 01:53:26,247
Who gave it to him?

2189
01:53:26,765 --> 01:53:28,836
I could tell you
it was a guy from Rescue 5.

2190
01:53:28,974 --> 01:53:30,907
I cannot remember who it was.

2191
01:53:33,082 --> 01:53:34,877
You know? Um...

2192
01:53:35,878 --> 01:53:37,983
And I don't think
anyone's gonna come forward,
'cause I think

2193
01:53:38,121 --> 01:53:40,917
they were kinda guilty
that they had the camera.

2194
01:53:41,055 --> 01:53:43,368
For 25 years,
Jack thought he knew

2195
01:53:43,506 --> 01:53:46,440
who took our 32 frames:
Bobby Crawford.

2196
01:53:46,578 --> 01:53:50,478
And now, I tell him,
"No, it was Joe."

2197
01:53:51,169 --> 01:53:52,826
Lovero is the only one--

2198
01:53:52,964 --> 01:53:56,277
- How, how did you come up with him?
- -So...

2199
01:54:03,008 --> 01:54:04,216
- That's interesting.
- Yeah.

2200
01:54:04,354 --> 01:54:07,185
-Yeah.
-Did you ever consider,

2201
01:54:07,323 --> 01:54:08,945
possibly, that it was Lovero?

2202
01:54:09,359 --> 01:54:11,948
No, I never did.
It never dawned on me.

2203
01:54:12,086 --> 01:54:15,331
Jack and Joe were
both members of the Gong Club,

2204
01:54:15,469 --> 01:54:18,679
a volunteer group that supports
Jersey City firefighters.

2205
01:54:19,128 --> 01:54:21,337
-You knew him personally?
-Yeah.

2206
01:54:21,475 --> 01:54:22,959
I mean, I wasn't
a friend with him,

2207
01:54:23,097 --> 01:54:24,650
but I knew him
as an acquaintance.

2208
01:54:24,788 --> 01:54:27,067
I think, for him,
I mean, as a photographer,

2209
01:54:27,791 --> 01:54:30,933
it's, it's, it's a legacy.
You know, I'm sure he'd rather

2210
01:54:31,071 --> 01:54:33,418
- be here, but it's still--
- Yeah.

2211
01:54:33,556 --> 01:54:34,798
It's a piece of history.

2212
01:54:35,282 --> 01:54:37,387
How do you feel
that you captured history?

2213
01:54:40,735 --> 01:54:42,185
That's a good question.
I don't know.

2214
01:54:42,323 --> 01:54:43,738
I never really thought
about it that way.

2215
01:54:44,670 --> 01:54:47,156
How do I feel
about capturing history?

2216
01:54:48,329 --> 01:54:49,641
Glad that I was there.

2217
01:54:50,573 --> 01:54:53,679
For all I know, people
are going to hear this history

2218
01:54:53,817 --> 01:54:56,924
and see this history,
and just file it under, "Okay,"

2219
01:54:57,062 --> 01:54:58,995
and then move on
with their lives.

2220
01:54:59,582 --> 01:55:00,514
Um...

2221
01:55:01,273 --> 01:55:03,103
But I hope that's not the case.

2222
01:55:03,586 --> 01:55:06,175
And, uh, you know,
I know I'm not a hero.

2223
01:55:18,256 --> 01:55:19,533
'Cause they're all dead.

2224
01:55:20,637 --> 01:55:23,157
We're talking
about generational change

2225
01:55:23,295 --> 01:55:26,989
from, uh, the witness,
lived experience generation

2226
01:55:27,127 --> 01:55:28,680
to the history generation.

2227
01:55:28,818 --> 01:55:32,373
You know, 40, 50%
of our visitors were born after.

2228
01:55:32,511 --> 01:55:34,582
I'm about it. Maybe
a few years younger than me,

2229
01:55:34,720 --> 01:55:36,550
people with direct
memories, you know?

2230
01:55:36,688 --> 01:55:39,346
It's really kind of thirties
now and above. Right?

2231
01:55:39,484 --> 01:55:41,762
And so, in 40 years, you know,

2232
01:55:41,900 --> 01:55:44,454
I'll be telling people
that we met you guys,

2233
01:55:44,592 --> 01:55:47,595
and I think that's--
it's something.

2234
01:55:48,562 --> 01:55:50,150
You have any other
questions for me?

2235
01:55:50,667 --> 01:55:53,567
Want another beer?

2236
01:55:55,224 --> 01:55:57,605
And with that,
we returned to New Orleans,

2237
01:55:57,743 --> 01:56:00,160
where, one day,
I get a call from Mark Desire,

2238
01:56:00,298 --> 01:56:03,611
with the New York City Office
of the Chief Medical Examiner.

2239
01:56:03,749 --> 01:56:06,062
Mark has been fighting
for 25 years

2240
01:56:06,200 --> 01:56:09,134
to identify 9/11 victims
via DNA.

2241
01:56:09,755 --> 01:56:12,310
If we find this camera,
do you think you would be able

2242
01:56:12,448 --> 01:56:15,347
to run DNA tests on it
to possibly identify

2243
01:56:15,485 --> 01:56:17,694
- who the photographer is?
- Yes.

2244
01:56:17,832 --> 01:56:20,076
So, if the camera
was found at Ground Zero,

2245
01:56:20,214 --> 01:56:22,837
film still in it,
film taken out and developed,

2246
01:56:22,976 --> 01:56:25,771
-and those pictures
were fine, correct?
-Yep.

2247
01:56:26,220 --> 01:56:29,292
Yeah, so the fact
that the film survived

2248
01:56:29,430 --> 01:56:30,845
leads me to believe
there's DNA in there.

2249
01:56:30,984 --> 01:56:32,606
So, this thing wasn't
completely melted

2250
01:56:32,744 --> 01:56:35,781
or soaked in jet fuel,
so there's a good chance

2251
01:56:35,919 --> 01:56:38,267
that somewhere on that camera,
there's DNA.

2252
01:56:39,026 --> 01:56:41,718
This is the only way
we can answer, definitively,

2253
01:56:41,856 --> 01:56:43,720
who took our 32 frames.

2254
01:56:43,858 --> 01:56:46,861
Someone has the camera.
Please return it.

2255
01:56:48,035 --> 01:56:50,934
As I script this film,
I get a package in the mail

2256
01:56:51,073 --> 01:56:54,490
from retired NYPD
Detective Frank DeMasi.

2257
01:56:55,215 --> 01:57:00,013
A piece of glass
from the World Trade Center,
found at Ground Zero.

2258
01:57:00,496 --> 01:57:03,257
I wanna know more
so I call Dan Sassa,

2259
01:57:03,395 --> 01:57:05,225
who wrote a book
on the Trade Center.

2260
01:57:05,363 --> 01:57:07,089
His uncle, Michael E. Roberts,

2261
01:57:07,227 --> 01:57:09,436
a firefighter, died on 9/11.

2262
01:57:10,402 --> 01:57:12,784
I have a piece of window glass
from the World Trade Center,

2263
01:57:12,922 --> 01:57:16,132
some limestone,
a piece of steel,
a piece of granite,

2264
01:57:16,270 --> 01:57:19,894
and some piece
of liquefied concrete,
molten or something.

2265
01:57:20,688 --> 01:57:23,691
The piece of glass that I have,
and along with the piece
that you shared with me,

2266
01:57:23,829 --> 01:57:27,454
is actually a piece
from the lobbies
of one of the towers.

2267
01:57:27,592 --> 01:57:29,042
It has a green tint to it,

2268
01:57:29,180 --> 01:57:30,940
and that's due
to the iron oxide impurities

2269
01:57:31,078 --> 01:57:33,253
that they used
for that thick glass.

2270
01:57:33,391 --> 01:57:35,151
And if you hold it
at a specific angle,

2271
01:57:35,289 --> 01:57:38,154
you can see that, that, that,
you know, green kind of hue.

2272
01:57:38,292 --> 01:57:41,261
It's almost like a portal for me
to, to be able to look at it

2273
01:57:41,399 --> 01:57:43,125
and, you, you know,
like I said, reflect.

2274
01:57:43,263 --> 01:57:46,714
When you look online,
I think there is a hunger

2275
01:57:46,852 --> 01:57:49,476
for actual pieces
of the Trade Center.

2276
01:57:49,614 --> 01:57:53,135
And, you know, some of that
maybe is morbid curiosity,

2277
01:57:53,273 --> 01:57:57,449
but I, I think, personally,
a lot of it is that people,

2278
01:57:57,587 --> 01:57:59,520
even people who weren't alive,

2279
01:57:59,658 --> 01:58:03,006
they feel a sense of loss.

2280
01:58:03,145 --> 01:58:04,698
That even
if they don't remember 9/11,

2281
01:58:04,836 --> 01:58:06,527
even if they never went
to the Trade Center,

2282
01:58:06,665 --> 01:58:10,393
that we're living
through such tumultuous times

2283
01:58:10,531 --> 01:58:12,257
that when we look back,
you know,

2284
01:58:12,395 --> 01:58:14,121
you and I can look back
on the '90s and say,

2285
01:58:14,259 --> 01:58:15,536
"Oh, man, that was
kinda like the '50s."

2286
01:58:15,674 --> 01:58:17,849
It was this,
for lack of a better phrase,

2287
01:58:17,987 --> 01:58:19,885
not that it was perfect,
but kind of a golden period

2288
01:58:20,023 --> 01:58:22,543
compared to what
the last 25 years have been.

2289
01:58:22,681 --> 01:58:24,304
- Um--
- Absolutely. It's hard.

2290
01:58:24,442 --> 01:58:26,823
It's hard to,
to drive by New York City

2291
01:58:26,961 --> 01:58:28,791
and not see the skyline
the way it was and, and,

2292
01:58:28,929 --> 01:58:32,381
and think back to the way
the world was prior to 9/11.

2293
01:58:36,557 --> 01:58:38,283
Dan agrees to meet us.

2294
01:58:38,421 --> 01:58:39,526
One winter night.

2295
01:58:39,664 --> 01:58:41,286
At Liberty State Park.

2296
01:58:41,424 --> 01:58:42,874
In Jersey City.

2297
01:58:43,012 --> 01:58:44,358
Home of Joe Lovero.

2298
01:58:44,496 --> 01:58:46,153
Birthplace of my father.

2299
01:58:46,291 --> 01:58:50,502
I used to stand here as a child,
marveling at the towers.

2300
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:52,815
Now, just empty sky.

2301
01:58:56,474 --> 01:59:00,719
♪ I lost you on the subway car ♪

2302
01:59:00,857 --> 01:59:06,553
♪ Got caught
Without my MetroCard ♪

2303
01:59:06,691 --> 01:59:11,282
♪ I waited and I waited
For the express train ♪

2304
01:59:11,420 --> 01:59:17,150
♪ Wanna catch up with you
Wherever you are ♪

2305
01:59:17,288 --> 01:59:20,291
♪ I waited and I waited ♪

2306
01:59:22,500 --> 01:59:25,503
♪ I waited and I waited ♪

2307
01:59:27,643 --> 01:59:30,784
♪ I waited and I waited ♪

2308
01:59:32,820 --> 01:59:36,272
♪ I waited and I waited ♪

2309
01:59:37,549 --> 01:59:39,448
♪ And it was hot ♪

2310
01:59:42,796 --> 01:59:45,281
♪ And when it stopped ♪

2311
01:59:48,457 --> 01:59:52,564
♪ It was metal on the mental ♪

2312
01:59:53,669 --> 01:59:56,810
♪ It was somethin' in my heart ♪

2313
01:59:59,019 --> 02:00:02,988
♪ It was metal on the mental ♪

2314
02:00:04,404 --> 02:00:07,579
♪ It was somethin' in my heart ♪

2315
02:00:09,547 --> 02:00:11,859
♪ My heart ♪

2316
02:00:31,189 --> 02:00:35,780
♪ Got on the train ♪
And I took a seat ♪

2317
02:00:35,918 --> 02:00:41,130
♪ Thought why all these people
are watching me ♪

2318
02:00:41,786 --> 02:00:46,204
♪ Caught my reflection ♪
In the subway car ♪

2319
02:00:46,342 --> 02:00:51,830
♪ Thought look at you ♪
Whoever you are ♪

2320
02:00:52,279 --> 02:00:55,006
♪ I waited and I waited ♪

2321
02:00:57,388 --> 02:01:00,253
♪ I waited and I waited ♪

2322
02:01:02,462 --> 02:01:05,637
♪ I waited and I waited ♪

2323
02:01:07,881 --> 02:01:10,711
♪ I waited and I waited ♪

2324
02:01:12,472 --> 02:01:14,922
♪ And it was cool ♪

2325
02:01:17,753 --> 02:01:20,273
♪ And when it stopped ♪

2326
02:01:23,483 --> 02:01:27,349
♪ It was metal on the mental ♪

2327
02:01:28,729 --> 02:01:31,801
♪ It was somethin' in my heart ♪

2328
02:01:34,528 --> 02:01:37,842
♪ Metal on the mental ♪

2329
02:01:39,292 --> 02:01:42,398
♪ It was somethin' in my heart ♪

2330
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:49,819
♪ Well, I got, I got
I got, I got ♪

2331
02:01:49,957 --> 02:01:54,203
♪ Got off, got off, on you ♪

2332
02:01:55,031 --> 02:01:59,035
♪ Well, I got, I got, I got ♪

2333
02:01:59,173 --> 02:02:04,696
♪ Got off, got off
Got off, on you ♪

2334
02:02:05,421 --> 02:02:09,529
♪ Well, I got, got off, I got ♪

2335
02:02:09,667 --> 02:02:15,328
♪ Got off, got off
Got off, on you ♪

2336
02:02:16,259 --> 02:02:20,056
♪ I got, I got, I got ♪

2337
02:02:20,194 --> 02:02:25,855
♪ Got off, got off
Got off, on you ♪

2338
02:02:26,753 --> 02:02:30,446
♪ It was metal on the mental ♪

2339
02:02:31,896 --> 02:02:35,140
♪ It was somethin' in my heart ♪

2340
02:02:36,970 --> 02:02:41,008
♪ It was metal on the mental ♪

2341
02:02:42,458 --> 02:02:45,565
♪ Some somethin' in my heart ♪